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From: viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk (Al Viro)
To: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [PATCH 3/3] ima: use fs method to read integrity data (updated patch description)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 17:38:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170917163828.GE5426@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFyBhb_hQ84heyWnAP+1vn48Wjpnas0YSUY-R6Ej6bv_Dw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 09:34:01AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Now, I suspect most (all?) do, but that's a historical artifact rather
> than "design". In particular, the VFS layer used to do the locking for
> the filesystems, to guarantee the POSIX requirements (POSIX requires
> that writes be seen atomically).
> 
> But that lock was pushed down into the filesystems, since some
> filesystems really wanted to have parallel writes (particularly for
> direct IO, where that POSIX serialization requirement doesn't exist).
> 
> That's all many years ago, though. New filesystems are likely to have
> copied the pattern from old ones, but even then..
> 
> Also, it's worth noting that "inode->i_rwlock" isn't even well-defined
> as a lock. You can have the question of *which* inode gets talked
> about when you have things like eoverlayfs etc. Normally it would be
> obvious, but sometimes you'd use "file->f_mapping->host" (which is the
> same thing in the simple cases), and sometimes it really wouldn't be
> obvious at all..
> 
> So... I'm really not at all convinced that i_rwsem is sensible. It's
> one of those things that are "mostly right for the simple cases",
> but...

The thing pretty much common to all of them is that write() might need
to modify permissions (suid removal), which brings ->i_rwsem in one
way or another - notify_change() needs that held...
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  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-17 16:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-15  4:58 [PATCH 0/3] ima: only call integrity_kernel_read to calc file hash Mimi Zohar
2017-09-15  4:58 ` [PATCH 1/3] vfs: constify path argument to kernel_read_file_from_path Mimi Zohar
2017-09-15 18:37   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-15  4:58 ` [PATCH 2/3] integrity: replace call to integrity_read_file with kernel version Mimi Zohar
2017-09-15  4:58 ` [PATCH 3/3] ima: use fs method to read integrity data Mimi Zohar
     [not found]   ` <CA+55aFwVujvsdaq09O216u-uBbBbo5i_1d6aw3ksottR_uiJ6w@mail.gmail.com>
2017-09-15  9:04     ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-15  9:09       ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-15 18:05       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-15 14:49     ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-09-15 15:21       ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-15 20:25   ` [PATCH 3/3] ima: use fs method to read integrity data (updated patch description) Mimi Zohar
2017-09-16 18:20     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-17  5:47       ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-17 15:17       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-09-17 15:28         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-17 15:37           ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-09-17 16:15           ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-17 16:34             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-17 16:38               ` Al Viro [this message]
2017-09-18  9:19                 ` Steven Whitehouse
2017-09-18 10:13                   ` Jan Kara
2017-09-18 14:55                     ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-24 22:55                       ` Mimi Zohar

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