From: jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com (Jarkko Sakkinen)
To: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Fixing CVE-2017-15361
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 13:27:31 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171026112731.64d6d4qoz25bay4u@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171026111632.g6a3bkhe4nxorfbm@linux.intel.com>
On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 01:16:32PM +0200, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:26:10AM +0200, Peter Huewe wrote:
> >
> >
> > Am 25. Oktober 2017 20:53:49 MESZ schrieb Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>:
> > >On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 07:17:17AM -0700, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > >> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 6:44 AM, Jarkko Sakkinen
> > >> <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > >> > I'm implementing a fix for CVE-2017-15361 that simply blacklists
> > >> > vulnerable FW versions. I think this is the only responsible action
> > >from
> > >> > my side that I can do.
> > >>
> > >> I'm not sure this is ideal - do Infineon have any Linux tooling for
> > >> performing firmware updates, and if so will that continue working if
> > >> the device is blacklisted? It's also a poor user experience to have
> > >> systems using TPM-backed disk encryption keys suddenly rendered
> > >> unbootable, and making it as easy as possible for people to do an
> > >> upgrade and then re-seal secrets with new keys feels like the correct
> > >> approach.
> > >
> > >I talked today with Alexander Steffen in the KS unconference and we
> > >concluded that this would be a terrible idea.
> > >
> > >Alexander stated the following things about FW updates (Alexander,
> > >please correct me if I state something incorrectly or if you have
> > >something to add):
> > >
> > >* FW update can be constructed either in a way that the keys in the
> > > NVRAM are not cleared or in a way that they are cleared.
> > >* FW update cannot be directly applied to the TPM but must come as
> > > part of the firmware update from the vendor.
> > >
> > >I proposed the following as an alternative:
> > >
> > >* Print a message to the klog (which log level would be appropriate?).
> > Info?
> > Maybe warn, definitely not err
>
> Since the driver does not fail usually warn would make sense but since
> here even allowing to continue to use such TPM is questionable I would
> use error here.
>
> People anyway ignore klog too easily so using warn would be a mistake in
> my opinion. It's like saying that nothing serious is happening here,
> move along.
>
> Do you think so?
>
> > >* Possibly sleep for few seconds. Is this a good idea?
> > Helps how?
>
> Obviously to get it noticed that the system integrity is broken.
>
> > >While writing this email yet another alternative popped into my mind:
> > >what if we allow only in-kernel use but disallow the use of /dev/tpm0?
> > >You could still use trusted keys.
> > >
> > No, same terrible idea since you block the upgrade path.
> > Upgrade tools work from userspace via the kernel driver.
> > So /dev/tpm0 is necessary.
>
> Right! How stupid of me (my previous response to Jerry) :-) Of course you
> can have special commands and talk to the TPM to do the upgrade even if
> it is part of the platform and not connected to a standard bus.
>
> I got understanding in the yesterdays unconfernce discussion that it
> should be part of the firmware upgrade.
>
> How do you do the upgrade through /dev/tpm0?
>
> /Jarkko
I received the following email for iavael at iavael.name:
<quote>
Hello,
I'm writing regarding you mail in tpm fw update discussion from Wed, 25 Oct
2017 20:53:49 +0200.
Found it in lkml archive and cannot forward it to myself (captcha is broken),
so I cannot join discussion in maillist and writing directly.
There's a tool infineon-firmware-updater (found with tricky google-fu)
Here's an archive
https://gsdview.appspot.com/chromeos-localmirror/distfiles/infineon-firmware-updater-1.1.2459.0.tar.gz
And here are some patches and ebuild file
https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/overlays/chromiumos-overlay/+/master/chromeos-base/infineon-firmware-updater/
> * FW update can be constructed either in a way that the keys in the
> NVRAM are not cleared or in a way that they are cleared.
As far as I understand, this tool requires clearing TPM.
> * FW update cannot be directly applied to the TPM but must come as
> part of the firmware update from the vendor.
Some vendors mentioned here
https://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/promopages/tpm-update/
distribute infineon's update tool for windows (actually 2 variants of it: CLI
and GUI).
Looks like Google got source code of it's *nix variant.
</quote>
/Jarkko
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-10-26 11:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-10-25 13:44 Fixing CVE-2017-15361 Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-25 14:17 ` Matthew Garrett
2017-10-25 18:53 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-25 20:22 ` Jerry Snitselaar
2017-10-26 11:01 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-25 22:26 ` Peter Huewe
2017-10-26 11:16 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-26 11:27 ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2017-10-26 12:59 ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-26 14:06 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-26 14:57 ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-26 17:02 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-26 17:03 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-26 15:46 ` Alexander.Steffen at infineon.com
2017-10-26 17:08 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-26 15:42 ` Alexander.Steffen at infineon.com
2017-10-26 17:00 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-26 15:51 ` Alexander.Steffen at infineon.com
2017-10-26 19:07 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
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