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From: mcgrof@kernel.org (Luis R. Rodriguez)
To: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [PATCH v5 next 1/5] modules:capabilities: add request_module_cap()
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 23:18:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171128221856.GS729@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEiveUf3Zdw=+MPTHRSRsNq3o9M0XOgnXBVszdsGAPvhyS5wLw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 10:33:27PM +0100, Djalal Harouni wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 10:16 PM, Luis R. Rodriguez <mcgrof@kernel.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:11:34PM -0800, Kees Cook wrote:
> >> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Luis R. Rodriguez <mcgrof@kernel.org> wrote:
> >> > kmod is just a helper to poke userpsace to load a module, that's it.
> >> >
> >> > The old init_module() and newer finit_module() do the real handy work or
> >> > module loading, and both currently only use may_init_module():
> >> >
> >> > static int may_init_module(void)
> >> > {
> >> >         if (!capable(CAP_SYS_MODULE) || modules_disabled)
> >> >                 return -EPERM;
> >> >
> >> >         return 0;
> >> > }
> >> >
> >> > This begs the question:
> >> >
> >> >   o If userspace just tries to just use raw finit_module() do we want similar
> >> >     checks?
> >> >
> >> > Otherwise, correct me if I'm wrong this all seems pointless.
> >>
> >> Hm? That's direct-loading, not auto-loading. This series is only about
> >> auto-loading.
> >
> > And *all* auto-loading uses aliases? What's the difference between auto-loading
> > and direct-loading?
> 
> Not all auto-loading uses aliases, auto-loading is when kernel code
> calls request_module() to loads the feature that was not present, 

It seems the actual interest here is system call implicated request_module()
calls? Because there are uses of request_module() which may be module hacks,
and not implicated via system calls.

> and direct-loading in this thread is the direct syscalls like
> finit_module().

OK.

> >> We already have a global sysctl for blocking direct-loading (modules_disabled).
> >
> > My point was that even if you have a CAP_NET_ADMIN check on request_module(),
> > finit_module() will not check for it, so a crafty userspace could still try
> > to just finit_module() directly, and completely then bypass the CAP_NET_ADMIN
> > check.
> 
> The finit_module() uses CAP_SYS_MODULE which should allow all modules
> and in this context it should be more privileged than CAP_NET_ADMIN
> which is only for "netdev-%s" (to not load arbitrary modules with it).
> 
> finit_module() coming from request_module() always has the
> CAP_NET_ADMIN, hence the check is done before.

But since CAP_SYS_MODULE is more restrictive, what's the point in checking
for CAP_NET_ADMIN?

> > So unless I'm missing something, I see no point in adding extra checks for
> > request_module() but nothing for the respective load_module().
> 
> I see, request_module() is called from kernel context which runs in
> init namespace will full capabilities, the spawned userspace modprobe
> will get CAP_SYS_MODULE and all other caps, then after comes modprobe
> and load_module().

Right, so defining the gains of adding this extra check is not very clear
yet. It would seem a benefit exists, what is it?

> Btw as suggested by Linus I will update with request_module_cap() and > I can
> offer my help maintaining these bits too.

Can you start by extending lib/test_module.c and
tools/testing/selftests/kmod/kmod.sh with a proof of concept of the gains here,
as well as ensuring things work as expected ?

  Luis
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  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-28 22:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-27 17:18 [PATCH v5 next 0/5] Improve Module autoloading infrastructure Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 1/5] modules:capabilities: add request_module_cap() Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 18:48   ` Randy Dunlap
2017-11-27 21:35     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 19:14   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 20:11     ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 21:16       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 21:33         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 22:18           ` Luis R. Rodriguez [this message]
2017-11-28 22:52             ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:39         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 22:12           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-28 22:18             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 22:48               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-29  7:49                 ` Michal Kubecek
2017-11-29 13:46           ` Alan Cox
2017-11-29 14:50             ` David Miller
2017-11-29 15:54               ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 15:58                 ` David Miller
2017-11-29 16:29                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 22:45                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-30  0:06                     ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 17:28                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-30  0:35                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-30 17:17                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-11-28 20:18     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 2/5] modules:capabilities: add cap_kernel_module_request() permission check Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30  2:05   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 3/5] modules:capabilities: automatic module loading restriction Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30  1:23   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-11-30 12:22     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 4/5] modules:capabilities: add a per-task modules auto-load mode Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 next 5/5] net: modules: use request_module_cap() to load 'netdev-%s' modules Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 18:44   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 21:41     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 22:04       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 22:59         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:14           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 23:19             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:35               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28  1:23             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 12:16         ` [kernel-hardening] " Geo Kozey
2017-11-28 19:32           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 20:08             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:12               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 20:20                 ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 20:33                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-28 21:10                     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:33                     ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 23:23                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-28 23:29                         ` Kees Cook
2017-11-28 23:49                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29  0:18                             ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29  6:36                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-29 14:46                             ` Geo Kozey
2017-12-01 15:22                             ` Marcus Meissner
2017-11-28 23:53                         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-28 21:51                     ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-28 23:51                       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  0:17                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  0:26                           ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29  0:50                             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29  4:26                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-11-29 18:30                               ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 18:46                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 18:53                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-29 21:17                                   ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 22:14                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-30  0:44                                       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-30  2:08                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-30  6:51                                       ` Daniel Micay
2017-11-30  8:50                                         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-30 14:16                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-30 14:51                                             ` Djalal Harouni
2017-12-01  6:39                                           ` Daniel Micay
2017-11-29 15:28                           ` Geo Kozey
2017-11-27 18:41 ` [PATCH v5 next 0/5] Improve Module autoloading infrastructure Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:02   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 19:12     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-27 21:31       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-11-27 19:14   ` David Miller
2017-11-27 22:31     ` James Morris
2017-11-27 23:04       ` Kees Cook
2017-11-27 23:44         ` James Morris

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