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From: darrick.wong@oracle.com (Darrick J. Wong)
To: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: BUG: Mount ignores mount options
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 17:38:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180811003852.GA10463@magnolia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180810235447.GK627@thunk.org>

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 07:54:47PM -0400, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 03:12:34PM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > Hey now, there was a little more nuance to it than that[1][2].  The
> > complaint in the first instance had much more to do with breaking
> > existing V4 filesystems by adding format requirements that mkfs didn't
> > know about when the filesystem was created.  Yes, you can create V4
> > filesystems that will hang the system if the log was totally unformatted
> > and metadata updates are made, but OTOH it's fairly obvious when that
> > happens, you have to be root to mount a disk filesystem, and we try to
> > avoid breaking existing users.
> 
> I wasn't thinking about syzbot reports; I've largely written them off
> as far as file system testing is concerned, but rather Wen Xu at
> Georgia Tech, who is much more reasonable than Dmitry, and has helpeyd
> me out a lot; and has complained that the XFS folks haven't been
> engaging with him.

Ahh, ok.  Yes, Wen has been easier to work with, and gives out
filesystem images.  Hm, I'll go comb the bugzilla again...

> In either case, both security researchers are fuzzing file system
> images, and then fixing the checksums, and discovering that this can
> lead to kernel crashes, and in a few cases, buffer overruns that can
> lead to potential privilege escalations.  Wen can generate reports
> faster than syzbot, but at least he gives me file system images (as
> opposed to having to dig them out of syzbot repro C files) and he
> actually does some analysis and explains what he thinks is going on.

(FWIW I tried to figure out how to add fs image dumping to syzbot and
whoah that was horrifying.

> I don't think anyone was claiming that format requirements should be
> added to ext4 or xfs file systems.  But rather, that kernel code
> should be made more robust against maliciously corrupted file system
> images that have valid checksums.  I've been more willing to work with
> Wen; Dave has expressed the opinion that these are not realistic bug
> reports, and since only root can mount file systems, it's not high
> priority.

I don't think they're high priority either, but they're at least worth
/some/ attention.

> The reason why I bring this up here is that in container land, there
> are those who believe that "container root" should be able to mount
> file systems, and if the "container root" isn't trusted, the fact that
> the "container root" can crash the host kernel, or worse, corrupt the
> host kernel and break out of the container as a result, that would be
> sad.
> 
> I was pretty sure most file system developers are on the same page
> that allowing untrusted "container roots" the ability to mount
> arbitrary block device file systems is insanity.

Agreed.

> Whether or not we try to fix these sorts of bugs submitted by security
> researchers.  :-)

and agreed. :)

--D

> 	  	       	    	       		  - Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-11  0:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-01 15:23 [PATCH 00/33] VFS: Introduce filesystem context [ver #11] David Howells
2018-08-01 15:24 ` [PATCH 08/33] vfs: Add LSM hooks for the new mount API " David Howells
2018-08-01 20:50   ` James Morris
2018-08-01 22:53   ` David Howells
2018-08-01 15:25 ` [PATCH 09/33] selinux: Implement the new mount API LSM hooks " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:25 ` [PATCH 10/33] smack: Implement filesystem context security " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:25 ` [PATCH 11/33] apparmor: Implement security hooks for the new mount API " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:25 ` [PATCH 12/33] tomoyo: " David Howells
2018-08-10 14:05 ` BUG: Mount ignores mount options Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-10 14:36   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-08-10 15:17     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-10 15:24     ` Al Viro
2018-08-10 15:11   ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-08-10 15:13   ` David Howells
2018-08-10 15:16   ` Al Viro
2018-08-11  1:05     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-11  1:46       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-11  4:48         ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-11 17:47           ` Casey Schaufler
2018-08-15  4:03             ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-11  1:58       ` Al Viro
2018-08-11  2:17         ` Al Viro
2018-08-11  4:43           ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-13 12:54         ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-08-10 15:11 ` David Howells
2018-08-10 15:39   ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-10 15:55     ` Casey Schaufler
2018-08-10 16:11     ` David Howells
2018-08-10 18:00     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-10 15:53   ` David Howells
2018-08-10 16:14     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-10 20:06       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-08-10 20:46         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-10 22:12           ` Darrick J. Wong
2018-08-10 23:54             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-11  0:38               ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2018-08-11  1:32                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-13 16:35         ` Alan Cox
2018-08-13 16:48           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-08-13 17:29             ` Al Viro
2018-08-13 19:00               ` James Morris
2018-08-13 19:20                 ` Casey Schaufler
2018-08-15 23:29                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-08-11  0:28       ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-11  1:19   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-11  7:29   ` David Howells
2018-08-11 16:31     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-08-11 16:51       ` Al Viro
2018-08-15 16:31 ` Should we split the network filesystem setup into two phases? David Howells
2018-08-15 16:51   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-08-16  3:51   ` Steve French
2018-08-16  5:06   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-16 16:24     ` Steve French
2018-08-16 17:21       ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-16 17:23       ` Aurélien Aptel
2018-08-16 18:36         ` Steve French
2018-08-17 23:11     ` Al Viro

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