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From: Simon McVittie <smcv@collabora.com>
To: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
Cc: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	casey.schaufler@intel.com, jmorris@namei.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, selinux@vger.kernel.org,
	keescook@chromium.org, john.johansen@canonical.com,
	penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp, paul@paul-moore.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 23/25] NET: Add SO_PEERCONTEXT for multiple LSMs
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 16:48:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191219164831.GA1308552@horizon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <93912039-e64e-cc56-20fc-095accf6c4dd@tycho.nsa.gov>

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 at 10:00:31 -0500, Stephen Smalley wrote:
> Looks like userspace is generally forgiving of whether the terminating NUL
> byte is included or omitted by the kernel (with different behaviors for
> SELinux - always included, Smack - omitted by /proc/pid/attr/current but
> included in SO_PEERSEC, and AppArmor - omitted for /proc/pid/attr/current
> but includes a terminating \n, omitted for SO_PEERSEC but no terminating
> \n), and procps-ng explicitly tests for printable characters (but truncates
> on the first unprintable character).

Because LSM people have told me in the past that the '\0' is not
conceptually part of the label, the D-Bus specification and reference
implementation already assume that its presence or absence is irrelevant,
and normalize to a canonical form (which happens to be that it appends a
'\0' if missing, to be nice to C-like languages, but I could equally
have chosen to strip the '\0' and rely on an out-of-band length count).

By design, SO_PEERCONTEXT and /proc/pid/attr/context don't (can't!)
preserve whether the label originally ended with '\0' or not (because
they are designed to use '\0' as a terminator for each label), so these
new kernel interfaces are already a bit closer than the old kernel
interfaces to how D-Bus represents this information.

The problematic case is AppArmor's terminating '\n' on
/proc/pid/attr/current, because when I asked in the past, I was told
that it would be (unwise but) valid to have a LSM where "foo" and "foo\n"
are distinct labels.

If that hypothetical LSM would make procps-ng lose information (because
procps-ng truncates at the first unprintable character), does that change
the situation any? Would that make it acceptable for other LSM-agnostic
user-space components, like the reference implementation of D-Bus, to
assume that stripping a trailing newline from /proc/pid/attr/context
or from one of the component strings of /proc/pid/attr/current is a
non-lossy operation?

> > >    If this new API is an opportunity to declare that LSMs are expected
> > >    to put the same canonical form of a label in
> > > /proc/$pid/attr/context and
> > >    SO_PEERCONTEXT, possibly with a non-canonical version (adding '\n' or
> > >    '\0' or similar) exposed in the older /proc/$pid/attr/current and
> > >    SO_PEERSEC interfaces for backwards compatibility, then that
> > > would make
> > >    life a lot easier for user-space developers like me.
> > 
> > I'm all for this but the current implementation reuses the same
> > underlying hooks as SO_PEERSEC, so it gets the same result for the
> > per-lsm values.  We'd need a separate hook if we cannot alter the
> > current AppArmor SO_PEERSEC format.

If AppArmor was going to change the format of one of its interfaces
(or deviate from it when implementing new interfaces), I'd actually
prefer it to be /proc/pid/attr/current that changed or was superseded,
because /proc/pid/attr/current is the one that contains a newline that
consumers are meant to ignore.

For what it's worth, libapparmor explicitly removes the newline, so this
only matters to LSM-agnostic readers like D-Bus implementations, and to
lower-level AppArmor-aware readers that use the kernel interfaces directly
in preference to using libapparmor.

    smcv

  reply	other threads:[~2019-12-19 16:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20191216223621.5127-1-casey.ref@schaufler-ca.com>
2019-12-16 22:35 ` [PATCH v12 00/25] LSM: Module stacking for AppArmor Casey Schaufler
2019-12-16 22:35   ` [PATCH v12 01/25] LSM: Infrastructure management of the sock security Casey Schaufler
2019-12-17 17:23     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-16 22:35   ` [PATCH v12 02/25] LSM: Create and manage the lsmblob data structure Casey Schaufler
2019-12-17 17:30     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-19 21:11     ` Mimi Zohar
2019-12-19 21:44       ` Casey Schaufler
2019-12-16 22:35   ` [PATCH v12 03/25] LSM: Use lsmblob in security_audit_rule_match Casey Schaufler
2019-12-17 17:34     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-17 22:01       ` Casey Schaufler
2019-12-17 23:47         ` Kees Cook
2019-12-18  0:28           ` Casey Schaufler
2019-12-18 13:16             ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-16 22:36   ` [PATCH v12 04/25] LSM: Use lsmblob in security_kernel_act_as Casey Schaufler
2019-12-17 17:37     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-16 22:36   ` [PATCH v12 05/25] net: Prepare UDS for security module stacking Casey Schaufler
2019-12-17 17:41     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-16 22:36   ` [PATCH v12 06/25] LSM: Use lsmblob in security_secctx_to_secid Casey Schaufler
2019-12-17 17:51     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-16 22:36   ` [PATCH v12 07/25] LSM: Use lsmblob in security_secid_to_secctx Casey Schaufler
2019-12-17 18:01     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-16 22:36   ` [PATCH v12 08/25] LSM: Use lsmblob in security_ipc_getsecid Casey Schaufler
2019-12-17 18:02     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-16 22:36   ` [PATCH v12 09/25] LSM: Use lsmblob in security_task_getsecid Casey Schaufler
2019-12-17 18:11     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-17 18:26       ` Casey Schaufler
2019-12-16 22:36   ` [PATCH v12 10/25] LSM: Use lsmblob in security_inode_getsecid Casey Schaufler
2019-12-17 18:13     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-16 22:36   ` [PATCH v12 11/25] LSM: Use lsmblob in security_cred_getsecid Casey Schaufler
2019-12-17 18:23     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-16 22:36   ` [PATCH v12 12/25] IMA: Change internal interfaces to use lsmblobs Casey Schaufler
2019-12-17 18:26     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-16 22:36   ` [PATCH v12 13/25] LSM: Specify which LSM to display Casey Schaufler
2019-12-18 15:17     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-18 16:32       ` Casey Schaufler
2019-12-16 22:36   ` [PATCH v12 14/25] LSM: Ensure the correct LSM context releaser Casey Schaufler
2019-12-18 15:53     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-16 22:36   ` [PATCH v12 15/25] LSM: Use lsmcontext in security_secid_to_secctx Casey Schaufler
2019-12-18 16:06     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-18 19:33     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-16 22:36   ` [PATCH v12 16/25] LSM: Use lsmcontext in security_dentry_init_security Casey Schaufler
2019-12-18 16:16     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-16 22:36   ` [PATCH v12 17/25] LSM: Use lsmcontext in security_inode_getsecctx Casey Schaufler
2019-12-18 17:02     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-16 22:36   ` [PATCH v12 18/25] LSM: security_secid_to_secctx in netlink netfilter Casey Schaufler
2019-12-18 17:10     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-16 22:36   ` [PATCH v12 19/25] NET: Store LSM netlabel data in a lsmblob Casey Schaufler
2019-12-18 17:41     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-16 22:36   ` [PATCH v12 20/25] LSM: Verify LSM display sanity in binder Casey Schaufler
2019-12-18 17:43     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-16 22:36   ` [PATCH v12 21/25] Audit: Add subj_LSM fields when necessary Casey Schaufler
2019-12-18 17:55     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-16 22:36   ` [PATCH v12 22/25] Audit: Include object data for all security modules Casey Schaufler
2019-12-18 18:02     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-16 22:36   ` [PATCH v12 23/25] NET: Add SO_PEERCONTEXT for multiple LSMs Casey Schaufler
2019-12-18 18:28     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-18 19:12       ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-18 20:50         ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-19 12:19           ` Simon McVittie
2019-12-19 13:47             ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-19 15:00               ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-19 16:48                 ` Simon McVittie [this message]
2019-12-19 17:02                   ` Stephen Smalley
2019-12-19 19:27                     ` John Johansen
2019-12-19 20:51                       ` Casey Schaufler
2019-12-19 21:41                         ` John Johansen
2019-12-19 19:21                   ` John Johansen
2019-12-16 22:36   ` [PATCH v12 24/25] LSM: Add /proc attr entry for full LSM context Casey Schaufler
2019-12-16 22:36   ` [PATCH v12 25/25] AppArmor: Remove the exclusive flag Casey Schaufler
2019-12-24 23:18 [PATCH v12 00/25] LSM: Module stacking for AppArmor Casey Schaufler
2019-12-24 23:19 ` [PATCH v12 23/25] NET: Add SO_PEERCONTEXT for multiple LSMs Casey Schaufler

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