From: Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@ubuntu.com>
To: Andrei Vagin <avagin@gmail.com>
Cc: "Adrian Reber" <areber@redhat.com>,
"Eric Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
"Pavel Emelyanov" <ovzxemul@gmail.com>,
"Oleg Nesterov" <oleg@redhat.com>,
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"Nicolas Viennot" <Nicolas.Viennot@twosigma.com>,
"Michał Cłapiński" <mclapinski@google.com>,
"Kamil Yurtsever" <kyurtsever@google.com>,
"Dirk Petersen" <dipeit@gmail.com>,
"Christine Flood" <chf@redhat.com>,
"Casey Schaufler" <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
"Mike Rapoport" <rppt@linux.ibm.com>,
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"Cyrill Gorcunov" <gorcunov@openvz.org>,
"Serge Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
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"Sargun Dhillon" <sargun@sargun.me>,
"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
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"Eric Paris" <eparis@parisplace.org>,
"Jann Horn" <jannh@google.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] capabilities: Introduce CAP_CHECKPOINT_RESTORE
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 18:14:27 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200609161427.4eoozs3kkgablmaa@wittgenstein> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200609160627.GA163855@gmail.com>
On Tue, Jun 09, 2020 at 09:06:27AM -0700, Andrei Vagin wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 09, 2020 at 09:44:22AM +0200, Christian Brauner wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 08, 2020 at 08:42:21PM -0700, Andrei Vagin wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 06:23:26PM +0200, Adrian Reber wrote:
> > > > This patch introduces CAP_CHECKPOINT_RESTORE, a new capability facilitating
> > > > checkpoint/restore for non-root users.
> > > >
> > > > Over the last years, The CRIU (Checkpoint/Restore In Userspace) team has been
> > > > asked numerous times if it is possible to checkpoint/restore a process as
> > > > non-root. The answer usually was: 'almost'.
> > > >
> > > > The main blocker to restore a process as non-root was to control the PID of the
> > > > restored process. This feature available via the clone3 system call, or via
> > > > /proc/sys/kernel/ns_last_pid is unfortunately guarded by CAP_SYS_ADMIN.
> > > >
> > > > In the past two years, requests for non-root checkpoint/restore have increased
> > > > due to the following use cases:
> > > > * Checkpoint/Restore in an HPC environment in combination with a resource
> > > > manager distributing jobs where users are always running as non-root.
> > > > There is a desire to provide a way to checkpoint and restore long running
> > > > jobs.
> > > > * Container migration as non-root
> > > > * We have been in contact with JVM developers who are integrating
> > > > CRIU into a Java VM to decrease the startup time. These checkpoint/restore
> > > > applications are not meant to be running with CAP_SYS_ADMIN.
> > > >
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > The introduced capability allows to:
> > > > * Control PIDs when the current user is CAP_CHECKPOINT_RESTORE capable
> > > > for the corresponding PID namespace via ns_last_pid/clone3.
> > > > * Open files in /proc/pid/map_files when the current user is
> > > > CAP_CHECKPOINT_RESTORE capable in the root namespace, useful for recovering
> > > > files that are unreachable via the file system such as deleted files, or memfd
> > > > files.
> > >
> > > PTRACE_O_SUSPEND_SECCOMP is needed for C/R and it is protected by
> > > CAP_SYS_ADMIN too.
> >
> > This is currently capable(CAP_SYS_ADMIN) (init_ns capable) why is it
> > safe to allow unprivileged users to suspend security policies? That
> > sounds like a bad idea.
>
> Why do you think so bad about me;). I don't suggest to remove or
Andrei, nothing could be further from me than to think bad about you!
You've done way too much excellent work. ;)
> downgrade this capability check. The patch allows all c/r related
> operations if the current has CAP_CHECKPOINT_RESTORE.
>
> So in this case the check:
> if (!capable(CAP_SYS_ADMIN))
> return -EPERM;
>
> will be converted in:
> if (!capable(CAP_SYS_ADMIN) && !capable(CAP_CHECKPOINT_RESTORE))
> return -EPERM;
Yeah, I got that but what's the goal here? Isn't it that you want to
make it safe to install the criu binary with the CAP_CHECKPOINT_RESTORE
fscap set so that unprivileged users can restore their own processes
without creating a new user namespace or am I missing something? The
use-cases in the cover-letter make it sound like that's what this is
leading up to:
> > > > * Checkpoint/Restore in an HPC environment in combination with a resource
> > > > manager distributing jobs where users are always running as non-root.
> > > > There is a desire to provide a way to checkpoint and restore long running
> > > > jobs.
> > > > * Container migration as non-root
> > > > * We have been in contact with JVM developers who are integrating
> > > > CRIU into a Java VM to decrease the startup time. These checkpoint/restore
> > > > applications are not meant to be running with CAP_SYS_ADMIN.
But maybe I'm just misunderstanding crucial bits (likely (TM)).
Christian
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-06-09 16:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-06-03 16:23 [PATCH v2 0/3] capabilities: Introduce CAP_CHECKPOINT_RESTORE Adrian Reber
2020-06-03 16:23 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] " Adrian Reber
2020-06-03 17:01 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-06-09 3:42 ` Andrei Vagin
2020-06-09 7:44 ` Christian Brauner
2020-06-09 16:06 ` Andrei Vagin
2020-06-09 16:14 ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2020-06-10 7:59 ` Andrei Vagin
2020-06-10 15:41 ` Casey Schaufler
2020-06-10 15:48 ` Christian Brauner
2020-06-09 18:45 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-06-09 20:09 ` Nicolas Viennot
2020-06-09 21:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-06-09 21:28 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-06-03 16:23 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] selftests: add clone3() CAP_CHECKPOINT_RESTORE test Adrian Reber
2020-06-03 16:23 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] prctl: Allow ptrace capable processes to change exe_fd Adrian Reber
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