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From: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>
To: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>
Cc: "Günther Noack" <gnoack@google.com>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	"Jeff Xu" <jeffxu@google.com>, "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Jorge Lucangeli Obes" <jorgelo@chromium.org>,
	"Allen Webb" <allenwebb@google.com>,
	"Dmitry Torokhov" <dtor@google.com>,
	"Konstantin Meskhidze" <konstantin.meskhidze@huawei.com>,
	"Matt Bobrowski" <repnop@google.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Christian Brauner" <brauner@kernel.org>,
	"Dave Chinner" <david@fromorbit.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 1/9] security: Create security_file_vfs_ioctl hook
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 19:30:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240315.Aeth0ooquoh6@digikod.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHC9VhRojXNSU9zi2BrP8z6JmOmT3DAqGNtinvvz=tL1XhVdyg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 01:56:25PM -0400, Paul Moore wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 2:53 AM Günther Noack <gnoack@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > This LSM hook gets called just before the fs/ioctl.c logic delegates
> > the requested IOCTL command to the file-specific implementation as
> > implemented by f_op->unlocked_ioctl (or f_op->ioctl_compat).
> >
> > It is impractical for LSMs to make security guarantees about these
> > f_op operations without having intimate knowledge of how they are
> > implemented.
> >
> > Therefore, depending on the enabled Landlock policy, Landlock aims to
> > block the calls to filp->f_op->unlocked_ioctl(), but permit the calls
> > to the IOCTL commands which are already implemented in fs/ioctl.c.
> >
> > The current call graph is:
> >
> >   * ioctl syscall
> >     * security_file_ioctl() LSM hook
> >     * do_vfs_ioctl() - standard operations
> >       * file_ioctl() - standard file operations
> >     * vfs_ioctl() - delegate to file (if do_vfs_ioctl() is a no-op)
> >       * filp->f_op->unlocked_ioctl()
> >
> > Why not use the existing security_file_ioctl() hook?
> >
> > With the existing security_file_ioctl() hook, it is technically
> > feasible to prevent the call to filp->f_op->unlocked_ioctl(), but it
> > would be difficult to maintain: security_file_ioctl() gets called
> > further up the call stack, so an implementation of it would need to
> > predict whether the logic further below will decide to call
> > f_op->unlocked_ioctl().  That can only be done by mirroring the logic
> > in do_vfs_ioctl() to some extent, and keeping this in sync.
> 
> Once again, I don't see this as an impossible task, and I would think
> that you would want to inspect each new ioctl command/op added in
> do_vfs_ioctl() anyway to ensure it doesn't introduce an unwanted
> behavior from a Landlock sandbox perspective.

About the LANDLOCK_ACCESS_FS_IOCTL_DEV semantic, we only care about the
IOCTLs that are actually delivered to device drivers, so any new IOCTL
directly handled by fs/ioctl.c should be treated the same way for this
access right.

> Looking at the git
> log/blame, it also doesn't appear that new do_vfs_ioctl() ioctls are
> added very frequently, meaning that keeping Landlock sync'd with
> fs/ioctl.c shouldn't be a terrible task.

do_vfs_ioctl() is indeed not changed often, but this doesn't mean we
should not provide strong guarantees, avoid future security bugs, lower
the maintenance cost, and improve code readability.

> 
> I'm also not excited about the overlap between the existing
> security_file_ioctl() hook and the proposed security_file_vfs_ioctl()
> hook.  There are some cases where we have no choice and we have to
> tolerate the overlap, but this doesn't look like one of those cases to
> me.
> 
> I'm sorry, but I don't agree with this new hook.

OK, I sent a new RFC (in reply to your email) as an alternative
approach.  Instead of adding a new LSM hook, this patch adds the
vfs_get_ioctl_handler() helper and some code refactoring that should be
both interesting for the VFS subsystem and for Landlock.  I guess this
could be interesting for other security mechanisms as well (e.g. BPF
LSM).  What do you think?

Arnd, Christian, would this sound good to you?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-03-15 18:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-09  7:53 [PATCH v10 0/9] Landlock: IOCTL support Günther Noack
2024-03-09  7:53 ` [PATCH v10 1/9] security: Create security_file_vfs_ioctl hook Günther Noack
2024-03-14 17:56   ` Paul Moore
2024-03-15 14:58     ` [RFC PATCH] fs: Add an use vfs_get_ioctl_handler() Mickaël Salaün
2024-03-15 18:30     ` Mickaël Salaün [this message]
2024-03-09  7:53 ` [PATCH v10 2/9] landlock: Add IOCTL access right for character and block devices Günther Noack
2024-03-11 14:46   ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-03-11 16:55     ` Alejandro Colomar
2024-03-09  7:53 ` [PATCH v10 3/9] selftests/landlock: Test IOCTL support Günther Noack
2024-03-09  7:53 ` [PATCH v10 4/9] selftests/landlock: Test IOCTL with memfds Günther Noack
2024-03-09  7:53 ` [PATCH v10 5/9] selftests/landlock: Test ioctl(2) and ftruncate(2) with open(O_PATH) Günther Noack
2024-03-09  7:53 ` [PATCH v10 6/9] selftests/landlock: Test IOCTLs on named pipes Günther Noack
2024-03-22  7:48   ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-03-22  8:45     ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-03-22 14:39     ` Günther Noack
2024-03-22 15:04       ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-03-09  7:53 ` [PATCH v10 7/9] selftests/landlock: Check IOCTL restrictions for named UNIX domain sockets Günther Noack
2024-03-22  7:57   ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-03-22 14:43     ` Günther Noack
2024-03-09  7:53 ` [PATCH v10 8/9] samples/landlock: Add support for LANDLOCK_ACCESS_FS_IOCTL_DEV Günther Noack
2024-03-09  7:53 ` [PATCH v10 9/9] landlock: Document IOCTL support Günther Noack

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