From: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: "Kuniyuki Iwashima" <kuniyu@amazon.com>,
"Martin KaFai Lau" <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
"Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 bpf-next 4/5] bpf: Add kfunc to scrub SCM_RIGHTS at security_unix_may_send().
Date: Tue, 6 May 2025 10:25:09 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250506.ahjae2Beemuo@digikod.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAADnVQK1t3ZqERODdHJM_HaZDMm+JH4OFvwTsLNqZG0=4SQQcA@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, May 05, 2025 at 05:13:32PM -0700, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 3:00 PM Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@amazon.com> wrote:
> >
> > As Christian Brauner said [0], systemd calls cmsg_close_all() [1] after
> > each recvmsg() to close() unwanted file descriptors sent via SCM_RIGHTS.
> >
> > However, this cannot work around the issue that close() for unwanted file
> > descriptors could block longer because the last fput() could occur on
> > the receiver side once sendmsg() with SCM_RIGHTS succeeds.
> >
> > Also, even filtering by LSM at recvmsg() does not work for the same reason.
> >
> > Thus, we need a better way to filter SCM_RIGHTS on the sender side.
> >
> > Let's add a new kfunc to scrub all file descriptors from skb in
> > sendmsg().
> >
> > This allows the receiver to keep recv()ing the bare data and disallows
> > the sender to impose the potential slowness of the last fput().
> >
> > If necessary, we can add more granular filtering per file descriptor
> > after refactoring GC code and adding some fd-to-file helpers for BPF.
> >
> > Sample:
> >
> > SEC("lsm/unix_may_send")
> > int BPF_PROG(unix_scrub_scm_rights,
> > struct socket *sock, struct socket *other, struct sk_buff *skb)
> > {
> > struct unix_skb_parms *cb;
> >
> > if (skb && bpf_unix_scrub_fds(skb))
> > return -EPERM;
> >
> > return 0;
> > }
>
> Any other programmability do you need there?
>
> If not and above is all that is needed then what Jann proposed
> sounds like better path to me:
> "
> I think the thorough fix would probably be to introduce a socket
> option (controlled via setsockopt()) that already blocks the peer's
> sendmsg().
> "
>
> Easier to operate and upriv process can use such setsockopt() too.
Adding a flag with setsockopt() will enable any program to protect
themselves instead of requiring the capability to load an eBPF program.
For the systemd use case, I think a flag would be enough, and it would
benefit more than only/mainly systemd.
Another thing is that we should have a consistent user space error code
if passing file descriptors is denied, to avoid confusing senders, to
not silently ignore dropped file descriptors, and to let the sender know
that it can send again but without passed file descriptors or maybe with
a maximum number of file descriptors. The ENFILE errno (file table
overflow) looks like a good candidate.
I guess both approaches are valuable, but this series should add this
new flag as well, and specify the expected error handling.
If we want to be able to handle legacy software not using this new flag,
we can leverage seccomp unotify.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-05-06 8:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-05-05 21:56 [PATCH v1 bpf-next 0/5] af_unix: Allow BPF LSM to scrub SCM_RIGHTS at sendmsg() Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-05 21:56 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 1/5] af_unix: Call security_unix_may_send() in sendmsg() for all socket types Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-05 21:56 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 2/5] af_unix: Pass skb to security_unix_may_send() Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-05 21:56 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 3/5] af_unix: Remove redundant scm->fp check in __scm_destroy() Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-09 14:13 ` kernel test robot
2025-05-05 21:56 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 4/5] bpf: Add kfunc to scrub SCM_RIGHTS at security_unix_may_send() Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-06 0:13 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-06 8:25 ` Mickaël Salaün [this message]
2025-05-09 15:06 ` kernel test robot
2025-05-05 21:56 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 5/5] selftest: bpf: Add test for bpf_unix_scrub_fds() Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-05 22:49 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 0/5] af_unix: Allow BPF LSM to scrub SCM_RIGHTS at sendmsg() Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-05-06 0:21 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-06 16:25 ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-05-06 18:16 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-06 9:15 ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-06 16:08 ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-05-06 18:14 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-05 23:21 ` Paul Moore
2025-05-06 0:35 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-06 14:57 ` Paul Moore
2025-05-06 12:17 ` Lennart Poettering
2025-05-06 18:19 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
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2025-05-06 0:44 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 4/5] bpf: Add kfunc to scrub SCM_RIGHTS at security_unix_may_send() Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-06 0:56 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-06 8:56 ` Christian Brauner
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