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From: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>
To: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,  Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
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	 linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 1/2] fs: Add O_DENY_WRITE
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2025 14:35:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250826.Lie3ye8to7yo@digikod.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <lhuikibbv0g.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com>

On Mon, Aug 25, 2025 at 11:39:11AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Mickaël Salaün:
> 
> > The order of checks would be:
> > 1. open script with O_DENY_WRITE
> > 2. check executability with AT_EXECVE_CHECK
> > 3. read the content and interpret it
> >
> > The deny-write feature was to guarantee that there is no race condition
> > between step 2 and 3.  All these checks are supposed to be done by a
> > trusted interpreter (which is allowed to be executed).  The
> > AT_EXECVE_CHECK call enables the caller to know if the kernel (and
> > associated security policies) allowed the *current* content of the file
> > to be executed.  Whatever happen before or after that (wrt.
> > O_DENY_WRITE) should be covered by the security policy.
> 
> Why isn't it an improper system configuration if the script file is
> writable?

It is, except if the system only wants to track executions (e.g. record
checksum of scripts) without restricting file modifications.

> 
> In the past, the argument was that making a file (writable and)
> executable was an auditable even, and that provided enough coverage for
> those people who are interested in this.

Yes, but in this case there is a race condition that this patch tried to
fix.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-26 12:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-22 17:07 [RFC PATCH v1 0/2] Add O_DENY_WRITE (complement AT_EXECVE_CHECK) Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-22 17:07 ` [RFC PATCH v1 1/2] fs: Add O_DENY_WRITE Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-22 19:45   ` Jann Horn
2025-08-24 11:03     ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-24 18:04       ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-08-25  9:31         ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-25  9:39           ` Florian Weimer
2025-08-26 12:35             ` Mickaël Salaün [this message]
2025-08-25 16:43           ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-08-25 18:10             ` Jeff Xu
2025-08-25 17:57           ` Jeff Xu
2025-08-26 12:39             ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-26 20:29               ` Jeff Xu
2025-08-27  8:19                 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-28 20:17                   ` Jeff Xu
2025-08-27 10:18     ` Aleksa Sarai
2025-08-27 10:29   ` Aleksa Sarai
2025-08-22 17:08 ` [RFC PATCH v1 2/2] selftests/exec: Add O_DENY_WRITE tests Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-26  9:07 ` [RFC PATCH v1 0/2] Add O_DENY_WRITE (complement AT_EXECVE_CHECK) Christian Brauner
2025-08-26 11:23   ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-26 12:30     ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-08-26 17:47       ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-26 20:50         ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-08-27  8:19           ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-27 17:35         ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-08-27 19:07           ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-27 20:35             ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-08-28  0:14     ` Aleksa Sarai
2025-08-28  0:32       ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-08-28  0:52         ` Aleksa Sarai
2025-08-28 21:01         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2025-09-01 11:05           ` Jann Horn
2025-09-01 13:18             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2025-09-01 16:01             ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-09-01  9:24       ` Roberto Sassu
2025-09-01 16:25         ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-09-01 17:01           ` Roberto Sassu
2025-09-02  8:57             ` Roberto Sassu
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-08-25 21:56 [RFC PATCH v1 1/2] fs: Add O_DENY_WRITE Andy Lutomirski
2025-08-25 23:06 ` Jeff Xu

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