From: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>
To: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
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Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 1/2] fs: Add O_DENY_WRITE
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2025 14:35:08 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250826.Lie3ye8to7yo@digikod.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <lhuikibbv0g.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com>
On Mon, Aug 25, 2025 at 11:39:11AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Mickaël Salaün:
>
> > The order of checks would be:
> > 1. open script with O_DENY_WRITE
> > 2. check executability with AT_EXECVE_CHECK
> > 3. read the content and interpret it
> >
> > The deny-write feature was to guarantee that there is no race condition
> > between step 2 and 3. All these checks are supposed to be done by a
> > trusted interpreter (which is allowed to be executed). The
> > AT_EXECVE_CHECK call enables the caller to know if the kernel (and
> > associated security policies) allowed the *current* content of the file
> > to be executed. Whatever happen before or after that (wrt.
> > O_DENY_WRITE) should be covered by the security policy.
>
> Why isn't it an improper system configuration if the script file is
> writable?
It is, except if the system only wants to track executions (e.g. record
checksum of scripts) without restricting file modifications.
>
> In the past, the argument was that making a file (writable and)
> executable was an auditable even, and that provided enough coverage for
> those people who are interested in this.
Yes, but in this case there is a race condition that this patch tried to
fix.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-08-26 12:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-22 17:07 [RFC PATCH v1 0/2] Add O_DENY_WRITE (complement AT_EXECVE_CHECK) Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-22 17:07 ` [RFC PATCH v1 1/2] fs: Add O_DENY_WRITE Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-22 19:45 ` Jann Horn
2025-08-24 11:03 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-24 18:04 ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-08-25 9:31 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-25 9:39 ` Florian Weimer
2025-08-26 12:35 ` Mickaël Salaün [this message]
2025-08-25 16:43 ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-08-25 18:10 ` Jeff Xu
2025-08-25 17:57 ` Jeff Xu
2025-08-26 12:39 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-26 20:29 ` Jeff Xu
2025-08-27 8:19 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-28 20:17 ` Jeff Xu
2025-08-27 10:18 ` Aleksa Sarai
2025-08-27 10:29 ` Aleksa Sarai
2025-08-22 17:08 ` [RFC PATCH v1 2/2] selftests/exec: Add O_DENY_WRITE tests Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-26 9:07 ` [RFC PATCH v1 0/2] Add O_DENY_WRITE (complement AT_EXECVE_CHECK) Christian Brauner
2025-08-26 11:23 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-26 12:30 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-08-26 17:47 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-26 20:50 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-08-27 8:19 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-27 17:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-08-27 19:07 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-08-27 20:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-08-28 0:14 ` Aleksa Sarai
2025-08-28 0:32 ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-08-28 0:52 ` Aleksa Sarai
2025-08-28 21:01 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2025-09-01 11:05 ` Jann Horn
2025-09-01 13:18 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2025-09-01 16:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-09-01 9:24 ` Roberto Sassu
2025-09-01 16:25 ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-09-01 17:01 ` Roberto Sassu
2025-09-02 8:57 ` Roberto Sassu
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-08-25 21:56 [RFC PATCH v1 1/2] fs: Add O_DENY_WRITE Andy Lutomirski
2025-08-25 23:06 ` Jeff Xu
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