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From: James Bottomley <jejb@linux.ibm.com>
To: Denis Semakin <denis.semakin@huawei.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC 17/20] ima: Use integrity_admin_ns_capable() to check corresponding capability
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2021 07:33:01 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <82f874dc0cd580e12162b599f38d22ae8148620d.camel@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <70960f70d44840789b5f7a847116281e@huawei.com>

On Thu, 2021-12-02 at 07:16 +0000, Denis Semakin wrote:
> Obviously the main goal by adding new capability was to avoid the
> using CAP_SYS_ADMIN (IOW superuser)

OK, but as I've said a couple of times now: the check for CAP_SYS_ADMIN
doesn't have to be monolithic like this.  We have two sets of checks in
the kernel: capable(..., CAP_SYS_ADMIN) which is for the global
monolithic root like capability and ns_capable(..., CAP_SYS_ADMIN)
which is for the owner (possibly unprivileged) of the user namespace.

This gives us a way of parsing out admin capabilites into the small
subset that the user namespace needs.  Patch 16 changed the check from
capable to ns_capable, meaning it's no longer the monolithic
CAP_SYS_ADMIN.

> to manage IMA stuff, that was also about security granularity.  It's
> good if CAP_MAC_ADMIN will be enough for doing IMA related things
> (write policies and extended attributes).

To be honest, as long as the check resolves to ns_capable(...,
CAP_SYS_<SOMETHING>) I'm not that bothered because the owner of the
user namespace will still pass the check.

> But for me it's a little bit unclear how to deal with unprivileged
> users: assuming there's no CAP_INTEGRITY_ADMIN but CAP_MAC_ADMIN was
> set up, so in this case user can control any LSM (seLinux, SMACK,
> etc) and IMA (policies, xattrs). What if .. for some systems there
> would be some requirements that will allow to touch LSM but do not
> change any IMA (integrity) things? A user can set up any IMA policy
> (it's about the system integrity), modify IMA related xattrs but it's
> forbidden to change seLinux policies and e.g. SMACK labels... May be
> it's unreal scenario of course... but I guess it's not 100%
> impossible.

This is why looking at it as a switch from capable to ns_capable is
useful: an ordinary user can assume ns_capable(..., CAP_SYS_ADMIN)
powers arbitrarily, so its a significant check on where you can make
the switch.

James



  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-02 12:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-30 16:06 [RFC 00/20] ima: Namespace IMA with audit support in IMA-ns Stefan Berger
2021-11-30 16:06 ` [RFC 01/20] ima: Add IMA namespace support Stefan Berger
2021-11-30 16:06 ` [RFC 02/20] ima: Define ns_status for storing namespaced iint data Stefan Berger
2021-11-30 16:06 ` [RFC 03/20] ima: Namespace audit status flags Stefan Berger
2021-11-30 16:06 ` [RFC 04/20] ima: Move delayed work queue and variables into ima_namespace Stefan Berger
2021-11-30 16:06 ` [RFC 05/20] ima: Move IMA's keys queue related " Stefan Berger
2021-11-30 16:06 ` [RFC 06/20] ima: Move policy " Stefan Berger
2021-11-30 16:06 ` [RFC 07/20] ima: Move ima_htable " Stefan Berger
2021-11-30 16:06 ` [RFC 08/20] ima: Move measurement list related variables " Stefan Berger
2021-12-02 12:46   ` James Bottomley
2021-12-02 13:41     ` Stefan Berger
2021-12-02 16:29       ` James Bottomley
2021-12-02 16:45         ` Stefan Berger
2021-12-02 17:44           ` James Bottomley
2021-12-02 18:03             ` Stefan Berger
2021-12-02 20:03               ` James Bottomley
2021-11-30 16:06 ` [RFC 09/20] ima: Only accept AUDIT rules for IMA non-init_ima_ns namespaces for now Stefan Berger
2021-11-30 16:06 ` [RFC 10/20] ima: Implement hierarchical processing of file accesses Stefan Berger
2021-11-30 16:06 ` [RFC 11/20] securityfs: Prefix global variables with securityfs_ Stefan Berger
2021-11-30 16:06 ` [RFC 12/20] securityfs: Pass static variables as parameters from top level functions Stefan Berger
2021-11-30 16:06 ` [RFC 13/20] securityfs: Build securityfs_ns for namespacing support Stefan Berger
2021-12-02 13:35   ` Christian Brauner
2021-12-02 13:47     ` Stefan Berger
2021-11-30 16:06 ` [RFC 14/20] ima: Move some IMA policy and filesystem related variables into ima_namespace Stefan Berger
2021-11-30 16:06 ` [RFC 15/20] capabilities: Introduce CAP_INTEGRITY_ADMIN Stefan Berger
2021-11-30 17:27   ` Casey Schaufler
2021-11-30 17:41     ` Stefan Berger
2021-11-30 17:50       ` Casey Schaufler
2021-11-30 16:06 ` [RFC 16/20] ima: Use ns_capable() for namespace policy access Stefan Berger
2021-11-30 16:06 ` [RFC 17/20] ima: Use integrity_admin_ns_capable() to check corresponding capability Stefan Berger
2021-12-01 16:58   ` James Bottomley
2021-12-01 17:35     ` Stefan Berger
2021-12-01 19:29       ` James Bottomley
2021-12-02  7:16         ` Denis Semakin
2021-12-02 12:33           ` James Bottomley [this message]
2021-12-02 17:54           ` Stefan Berger
2021-12-02 12:59         ` Christian Brauner
2021-12-02 13:01           ` Christian Brauner
2021-12-02 15:58             ` Casey Schaufler
2021-11-30 16:06 ` [RFC 18/20] userns: Introduce a refcount variable for calling early teardown function Stefan Berger
2021-11-30 16:06 ` [RFC 19/20] ima/userns: Define early teardown function for IMA namespace Stefan Berger
2021-11-30 16:06 ` [RFC 20/20] ima: Setup securityfs_ns " Stefan Berger
2021-12-01 17:56   ` James Bottomley
2021-12-01 18:11     ` Stefan Berger
2021-12-01 19:21       ` James Bottomley
2021-12-01 20:25         ` Stefan Berger
2021-12-01 21:11           ` James Bottomley
2021-12-01 21:34             ` Stefan Berger
2021-12-01 22:01               ` James Bottomley
2021-12-01 22:09                 ` Stefan Berger
2021-12-01 22:19                   ` James Bottomley
2021-12-02  0:02                     ` Stefan Berger
2021-12-02 13:18   ` Christian Brauner
2021-12-02 13:52     ` Stefan Berger

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