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From: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
To: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>
Cc: "Konstantin Meskhidze (A)" <konstantin.meskhidze@huawei.com>,
	"Günther Noack" <gnoack3000@gmail.com>,
	willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, yusongping@huawei.com,
	artem.kuzin@huawei.com, "Jeff Xu" <jeffxu@google.com>,
	"Jorge Lucangeli Obes" <jorgelo@chromium.org>,
	"Allen Webb" <allenwebb@google.com>,
	"Dmitry Torokhov" <dtor@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 00/12] Network support for Landlock - allowed list of protocols
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2023 19:33:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABi2SkXgTv8Bz62hwkymz2msvNXZQUWM1acT-_Lcq2=Mb-BD6w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b8a2045a-e7e8-d141-7c01-bf47874c7930@digikod.net>

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 8:29 AM Mickaël Salaün <mic@digikod.net> wrote:
>
> Reviving Günther's suggestion to deny a set of network protocols:
>
> On 14/03/2023 14:28, Mickaël Salaün wrote:
> >
> > On 13/03/2023 18:16, Konstantin Meskhidze (A) wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> 2/24/2023 1:17 AM, Günther Noack пишет:
>
> [...]
>
> >>>
> >>> * Given the list of obscure network protocols listed in the socket(2)
> >>>      man page, I find it slightly weird to have rules for the use of TCP,
> >>>      but to leave less prominent protocols unrestricted.
> >>>
> >>>      For example, a process with an enabled Landlock network ruleset may
> >>>      connect only to certain TCP ports, but at the same time it can
> >>>      happily use Bluetooth/CAN bus/DECnet/IPX or other protocols?
> >>
> >>         We also have started a discussion about UDP protocol, but it's
> >> more complicated since UDP sockets does not establish connections
> >> between each other. There is a performance problem on the first place here.
> >>
> >> I'm not familiar with Bluetooth/CAN bus/DECnet/IPX but let's discuss it.
> >> Any ideas here?
> >
> > All these protocols should be handled one way or another someday. ;)
> >
> >
> >>
> >>>
> >>>      I'm mentioning these more obscure protocols, because I doubt that
> >>>      Landlock will grow more sophisticated support for them anytime soon,
> >>>      so maybe the best option would be to just make it possible to
> >>>      disable these?  Is that also part of the plan?
> >>>
> >>>      (I think there would be a lot of value in restricting network
> >>>      access, even when it's done very broadly.  There are many programs
> >>>      that don't need network at all, and among those that do need
> >>>      network, most only require IP networking.
> >
> > Indeed, protocols that nobody care to make Landlock supports them will
> > probably not have fine-grained control. We could extend the ruleset
> > attributes to disable the use (i.e. not only the creation of new related
> > sockets/resources) of network protocol families, in a way that would
> > make sandboxes simulate a kernel without such protocol support. In this
> > case, this should be an allowed list of protocols, and everything not in
> > that list should be denied. This approach could be used for other kernel
> > features (unrelated to network).
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>>      Btw, the argument for more broad disabling of network access was
> >>>      already made at https://cr.yp.to/unix/disablenetwork.html in the
> >>>      past.)
> >
> > This is interesting but scoped to a single use case. As specified at the
> > beginning of this linked page, there must be exceptions, not only with
> > AF_UNIX but also for (the newer) AF_VSOCK, and probably future ones.
> > This is why I don't think a binary approach is a good one for Linux.
> > Users should be able to specify what they need, and block the rest.
>
> Here is a design to be able to only allow a set of network protocols and
> deny everything else. This would be complementary to Konstantin's patch
> series which addresses fine-grained access control.
>
> First, I want to remind that Landlock follows an allowed list approach
> with a set of (growing) supported actions (for compatibility reasons),
> which is kind of an allow-list-on-a-deny-list. But with this proposal,
> we want to be able to deny everything, which means: supported, not
> supported, known and unknown protocols.
>
I think this makes sense.  ChomeOS can use it at the process level:
disable network, allow VSOCK only, allow TCP only, etc.

> We could add a new "handled_access_socket" field to the landlock_ruleset
> struct, which could contain a LANDLOCK_ACCESS_SOCKET_CREATE flag.
>
> If this field is set, users could add a new type of rules:
> struct landlock_socket_attr {
>      __u64 allowed_access;
>      int domain; // see socket(2)
>      int type; // see socket(2)
> }
>
Do you want to add "int protocol" ? which is the third parameter of socket(2)
According to protocols(5), the protocols are defined in:
https://www.iana.org/assignments/protocol-numbers/protocol-numbers.xhtml

It is part of IPv4/IPV6 header:
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc791.html#section-3.1
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8200.html#section-3

> The allowed_access field would only contain
> LANDLOCK_ACCESS_SOCKET_CREATE at first, but it could grow with other
> actions (which cannot be handled with seccomp):
> - use: walk through all opened FDs and mark them as allowed or denied
> - receive: hook on received FDs
> - send: hook on sent FDs
>
also bind, connect, accept.

> We might also use the same approach for non-socket objects that can be
> identified with some meaningful properties.
>
> What do you think?

-Jeff

  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-28  2:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-16  8:58 [PATCH v9 00/12] Network support for Landlock Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 01/12] landlock: Make ruleset's access masks more generic Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 02/12] landlock: Allow filesystem layout changes for domains without such rule type Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-02-10 17:34   ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-02-14  8:51     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-02-14 12:07       ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-02-14 12:57         ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 03/12] landlock: Refactor landlock_find_rule/insert_rule Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-02-10 17:36   ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-02-14 10:15     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-02-14 12:09       ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-02-14 13:28         ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 04/12] landlock: Refactor merge/inherit_ruleset functions Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 05/12] landlock: Move and rename umask_layers() and init_layer_masks() Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-02-10 17:37   ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-02-14 10:15     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 06/12] landlock: Refactor _unmask_layers() and _init_layer_masks() Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-02-10 17:38   ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-02-14 10:16     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-02-21 18:07   ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-03-06  7:52     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 07/12] landlock: Refactor landlock_add_rule() syscall Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-02-10 17:38   ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-02-14 10:18     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 08/12] landlock: Add network rules and TCP hooks support Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-02-10 17:39   ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-02-14 10:19     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-03-13  9:33     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-03-14 12:13       ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-03-14 14:38         ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-02-21 18:04   ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-03-06 10:18     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 09/12] selftests/landlock: Share enforce_ruleset() Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 10/12] selftests/landlock: Add 10 new test suites dedicated to network Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-02-10 17:40   ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-02-14 10:36     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-02-14 12:13       ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-02-14 13:28         ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-02-21 18:05   ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-03-06 12:03     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-03-06 16:00       ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-03-06 18:13         ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 11/12] samples/landlock: Add network demo Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-01-16  8:58 ` [PATCH v9 12/12] landlock: Document Landlock's network support Konstantin Meskhidze
2023-01-21 23:07   ` Günther Noack
2023-01-23  9:38     ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-01-27 18:22       ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-01-30 10:03         ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-02-21 16:16           ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-03-06 13:43             ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-03-06 16:09               ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-03-06 17:55                 ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-01-30 12:26         ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-02-23 22:17 ` [PATCH v9 00/12] Network support for Landlock Günther Noack
2023-03-06  7:45   ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-03-13 17:16   ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-03-14 13:28     ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-06-26 15:29       ` [PATCH v9 00/12] Network support for Landlock - allowed list of protocols Mickaël Salaün
2023-06-28  2:33         ` Jeff Xu [this message]
2023-06-28 19:03           ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-06-28 21:56             ` Jeff Xu
2023-06-28  8:44         ` Günther Noack
2023-06-28 17:03           ` Jeff Xu
2023-06-28 19:29             ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-06-29  3:18               ` Jeff Xu
2023-06-29 11:07                 ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-06-30  4:18                   ` Jeff Xu
2023-06-30 18:23                     ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-07-05 15:00                       ` Jeff Xu
2023-07-12 11:30                         ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-07-13 13:20                           ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-07-13 14:52                             ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-07-13 11:44                   ` Konstantin Meskhidze (A)
2023-06-28 19:07           ` Mickaël Salaün

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