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From: tixxdz@gmail.com (Djalal Harouni)
To: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [PATCH v3 2/2] modules:capabilities: add a per-task modules autoload restriction
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 02:12:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEiveUcx8fwQgXdLPeMNsTjX2KPhQKH__a-XzcHko_1aCmh4sg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrXzZwz4a9uhQfdHb4L2afApTvVLPwVx640vvV-fzbCR0w@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 1:51 AM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> wrote:
[...]
>>> I personally like my implicit_rights idea, and it might be interesting
>>> to prototype it.
>>
>> I don't like blocking a needed feature behind a large super-feature
>> that doesn't exist yet. We'd be able to refactor this code into using
>> such a thing in the future, so I'd prefer to move ahead with this
>> since it would stop actual exploits.
>
> I don't think the super-feature is so hard, and I think we should not
> add the per-task thing the way it's done in this patch.  Let's not add
> per-task things where the best argument for their security is "not
> sure how it would be exploited".

Actually the XFRM framework CVE-2017-7184 [1] is one real example, of
course there are others. The exploit was used on a generic distro
during a security contest that distro is Ubuntu. That distro will
never provide a module autoloading restriction by default to not harm
it's users. Consumers or containers/sandboxes then can run their
confined apps using such facilities.

These bugs will stay in embedded devices that use these generic
distros for ever.

> Anyway, I think the sysctl is really the important bit.  The per-task
> setting is icing on the cake IMO.  One upon a time autoload was more
> important, but these days modaliases are supposed to do most of the
> work.  I bet that modern distros don't need unprivileged autoload at
> all.

Actually I think they do and we can't just change that. Users may
depend on it, it is a well established facility.

Now the other problem is CAP_NET_ADMIN which does lot of things, it is
more like the CAP_SYS_ADMIN.

This is a quick list that I got from only the past months, I'm pretty
sure there are more:

* DCCP use after free CVE-2017-6074
* n_hldc CVE-2017-2636
* XFRM framework CVE-2017-7184
* L2TPv3 CVE-2016-10200

Most of these need CAP_NET_ADMIN to be autoloaded, however we also
need CAP_NET_ADMIN for other things... therefore it is better to have
an extra facility that could coexist with CAP_NET_ADMIN and other
sandbox features.


[1] http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2017/03/29/2


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  reply	other threads:[~2017-04-22  0:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-19 22:20 [PATCH v3 0/2] modules:capabilities: automatic module loading restrictions Djalal Harouni
2017-04-19 22:20 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] modules:capabilities: automatic module loading restriction Djalal Harouni
2017-04-19 23:16   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-20  2:22   ` Ben Hutchings
2017-04-20 12:44     ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2017-04-20 15:02       ` Ben Hutchings
2017-04-20 20:39         ` Djalal Harouni
2017-04-20 21:28           ` Kees Cook
2017-04-19 22:20 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] modules:capabilities: add a per-task modules autoload restriction Djalal Harouni
2017-04-19 22:38   ` Djalal Harouni
2017-04-19 23:15   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-19 23:43     ` Kees Cook
2017-04-20  2:41       ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-21 23:19         ` Kees Cook
2017-04-21 23:28           ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-21 23:40             ` Kees Cook
2017-04-21 23:51               ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-22  0:12                 ` Djalal Harouni [this message]
2017-04-22  1:19                   ` Djalal Harouni
2017-04-22  6:51                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-22 19:29                     ` Kees Cook
2017-04-24 14:25                       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-04-24 18:02                         ` Kees Cook
2017-04-24 18:35                           ` Djalal Harouni
2017-04-21 23:52             ` Casey Schaufler
2017-04-22  0:00               ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-22  0:13                 ` Casey Schaufler
2017-04-22  6:45                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-22 12:17             ` Djalal Harouni
2017-05-04 13:07               ` Djalal Harouni
2017-05-04 14:58                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-05-05 13:06                   ` Djalal Harouni
2017-05-05 16:18                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-20  1:57   ` kbuild test robot
2017-04-24  4:29   ` Rusty Russell
2017-04-26  9:06     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-04-27  2:07       ` Rusty Russell
2017-04-27 13:16         ` Djalal Harouni

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