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From: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
To: sergeh@kernel.org
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
	 Max Kellermann <max.kellermann@ionos.com>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	paul@paul-moore.com,  jmorris@namei.org,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	morgan@kernel.org,  Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] exec: Correct the permission check for unsafe exec
Date: Wed, 21 May 2025 00:38:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAG48ez2q3iSXq_2C-DrJ774z-Cq2misdm53r5FBGrdwVbKDZSA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aCeyKHNDbPLWQP0i@lei>

On Fri, May 16, 2025 at 11:46 PM <sergeh@kernel.org> wrote:
> On Fri, May 16, 2025 at 08:06:15PM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
> > On Fri, May 16, 2025 at 5:26 PM Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
> > > Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org> writes:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, May 15, 2025 at 11:24:47AM -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> > > >> I have condensed the logic from Linux-2.4.0-test12 to just:
> > > >>      id_changed = !uid_eq(new->euid, old->euid) || !in_group_p(new->egid);
> > > >>
> > > >> This change is userspace visible, but I don't expect anyone to care.
> > > >> [...]
> > > >> -static inline bool __is_setuid(struct cred *new, const struct cred *old)
> > > >> -{ return !uid_eq(new->euid, old->uid); }
> > > >> -
> > > >> -static inline bool __is_setgid(struct cred *new, const struct cred *old)
> > > >> -{ return !gid_eq(new->egid, old->gid); }
> > > >> -
> > > >> [...]
> > > >> -    is_setid = __is_setuid(new, old) || __is_setgid(new, old);
> > > >> +    id_changed = !uid_eq(new->euid, old->euid) || !in_group_p(new->egid);
> > > >
> > > > The core change here is testing for differing euid rather than
> > > > mismatched uid/euid. (And checking for egid in the set of all groups.)
> > >
> > > Yes.
> > >
> > > For what the code is trying to do I can't fathom what was trying to
> > > be accomplished by the "mismatched" uid/euid check.
> >
> > I remember that when I was looking at this code years ago, one case I
> > was interested in was what happens when a setuid process (running with
> > something like euid=1000,ruid=0) execve()'s a normal binary. Clearly
> > the LSM_UNSAFE_* stuff is not so interesting there, because we're
> > already coming from a privileged context; but the behavior of
> > bprm->secureexec could be important.
> >
> > Like, I think currently a setuid binary like this is probably (?) not
> > exploitable:
> >
> > int main(void) {
> >   execl("/bin/echo", "echo", "hello world");
> > }
> >
> > but after your proposed change, I think it might (?) become
> > exploitable because "echo" would not have AT_SECURE set (I think?) and
> > would therefore load libraries based on environment variables?
> >
> > To be clear, I think this would be a stupid thing for userspace to do
> > - a setuid binary just should not be running other binaries with the
> > caller-provided environment while having elevated privileges. But if
> > userspace was doing something like that, this change might make it
> > more exploitable, and I imagine that the check for mismatched uid/euid
> > was intended to catch cases like this?
>
> If the original process became privileged by executing a setuid-root
> file (and uses glibc), then LD_PRELOAD will already have been cleared,
> right?  So it would either have to add the unsafe entries back to
> LD_PRELOAD again, or it has to have been root all along, not a
> setuid-root program.  I think at that point we have to say this is what
> it intended, and possibly with good reason.

Oh, I see what you mean, glibc's loader code zaps that environment
variable on secureexec for additional safety, I didn't know that.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-20 22:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-06  8:26 [PATCH] security/commoncap: don't assume "setid" if all ids are identical Max Kellermann
2025-03-07 10:32 ` kernel test robot
2025-03-09 15:19 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2025-04-28 11:43   ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-06 13:21     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2025-05-06 14:51       ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-07  3:16         ` Andrew G. Morgan
2025-05-07  6:33           ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-08  3:32             ` Andrew G. Morgan
2025-05-08  6:38               ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-08  8:37               ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-09 17:50             ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-08 22:12         ` sergeh
2025-05-09  6:15           ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-09 14:44             ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-09 16:53               ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-09 20:17                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2025-05-09 18:41               ` [PATCH] Documentation/no_new_privs.rst: document dropping effective ids Max Kellermann
2025-05-15 16:24 ` [PATCH] exec: Correct the permission check for unsafe exec Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-15 22:09   ` Kees Cook
2025-05-16 15:26     ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-16 18:06       ` Jann Horn
2025-05-16 18:08         ` Jann Horn
2025-05-16 21:46         ` sergeh
2025-05-20 22:38           ` Jann Horn [this message]
2025-05-20 22:43             ` Kees Cook
2025-05-16 23:29         ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-20 20:20           ` Kees Cook
2025-05-20 22:13             ` [PATCH v2] " Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-20 22:35               ` Kees Cook
2025-05-20 23:53               ` Jann Horn
2025-05-21 15:27                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-21 15:36                   ` Jann Horn
2025-06-11  0:18                     ` Paul Moore
2025-06-11 14:23                       ` Max Kellermann
2025-06-13 15:07                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-06-12 21:26                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2025-06-13  1:48                         ` Kees Cook
2025-06-13 15:28                           ` Paul Moore
2025-06-16 19:57                             ` Kees Cook
2025-06-16 20:16                               ` Paul Moore
2025-05-16 21:48     ` [PATCH] " sergeh
2025-05-16 21:49   ` sergeh

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