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From: Max Kellermann <max.kellermann@ionos.com>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	paul@paul-moore.com, jmorris@namei.org,
	 linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] security/commoncap: don't assume "setid" if all ids are identical
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 13:43:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKPOu+_vTuZqsBLfRH+kyphiWAtRfWq=nKAcAYu=Wn2JBAkkYg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250309151907.GA178120@mail.hallyn.com>

On Sun, Mar 9, 2025 at 4:19 PM Serge E. Hallyn <serge@hallyn.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Mar 06, 2025 at 09:26:15AM +0100, Max Kellermann wrote:
> > If a program enables `NO_NEW_PRIVS` and sets up
> > differing real/effective/saved/fs ids, the effective ids are
> > downgraded during exec because the kernel believes it should "get no
> > more than they had, and maybe less".
> >
> > I believe it is safe to keep differing ids even if `NO_NEW_PRIVS` is
> > set.  The newly executed program doesn't get any more, but there's no
> > reason to give it less.
> >
> > This is different from "set[ug]id/setpcap" execution where privileges
> > may be raised; here, the assumption that it's "set[ug]id" if
> > effective!=real is too broad.
> >
> > If we verify that all user/group ids remain as they were, we can
> > safely allow the new program to keep them.
>
> Thanks, it's an interesting point.  Seems to mainly depend on what users
> of the feature have come to expect.
>
> Andy, what do you think?

Serge & Andy, what's your opinion on my patch?

  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-28 11:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-06  8:26 [PATCH] security/commoncap: don't assume "setid" if all ids are identical Max Kellermann
2025-03-07 10:32 ` kernel test robot
2025-03-09 15:19 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2025-04-28 11:43   ` Max Kellermann [this message]
2025-05-06 13:21     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2025-05-06 14:51       ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-07  3:16         ` Andrew G. Morgan
2025-05-07  6:33           ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-08  3:32             ` Andrew G. Morgan
2025-05-08  6:38               ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-08  8:37               ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-09 17:50             ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-08 22:12         ` sergeh
2025-05-09  6:15           ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-09 14:44             ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-09 16:53               ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-09 20:17                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2025-05-09 18:41               ` [PATCH] Documentation/no_new_privs.rst: document dropping effective ids Max Kellermann
2025-05-15 16:24 ` [PATCH] exec: Correct the permission check for unsafe exec Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-15 22:09   ` Kees Cook
2025-05-16 15:26     ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-16 18:06       ` Jann Horn
2025-05-16 18:08         ` Jann Horn
2025-05-16 21:46         ` sergeh
2025-05-20 22:38           ` Jann Horn
2025-05-20 22:43             ` Kees Cook
2025-05-16 23:29         ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-20 20:20           ` Kees Cook
2025-05-20 22:13             ` [PATCH v2] " Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-20 22:35               ` Kees Cook
2025-05-20 23:53               ` Jann Horn
2025-05-21 15:27                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-21 15:36                   ` Jann Horn
2025-06-11  0:18                     ` Paul Moore
2025-06-11 14:23                       ` Max Kellermann
2025-06-13 15:07                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-06-12 21:26                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2025-06-13  1:48                         ` Kees Cook
2025-06-13 15:28                           ` Paul Moore
2025-06-16 19:57                             ` Kees Cook
2025-06-16 20:16                               ` Paul Moore
2025-05-16 21:48     ` [PATCH] " sergeh
2025-05-16 21:49   ` sergeh

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