From: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@google.com>
To: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v19 1/5] exec: Add a new AT_CHECK flag to execveat(2)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2024 08:27:18 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALmYWFsAZjU5sMcXTT23Mtw2Y30ewc94FAjKsnuSv1Ex=7fgLQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240719.sah7oeY9pha4@digikod.net>
On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 8:04 AM Mickaël Salaün <mic@digikod.net> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 07:16:55AM -0700, Jeff Xu wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 1:45 AM Mickaël Salaün <mic@digikod.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 06:29:54PM -0700, Jeff Xu wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 5:24 AM Mickaël Salaün <mic@digikod.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 07:08:17PM -0700, Jeff Xu wrote:
> > > > > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 3:01 AM Mickaël Salaün <mic@digikod.net> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 11:33:55PM -0700, Jeff Xu wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 12:02 PM Mickaël Salaün <mic@digikod.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Add a new AT_CHECK flag to execveat(2) to check if a file would be
> > > > > > > > > allowed for execution. The main use case is for script interpreters and
> > > > > > > > > dynamic linkers to check execution permission according to the kernel's
> > > > > > > > > security policy. Another use case is to add context to access logs e.g.,
> > > > > > > > > which script (instead of interpreter) accessed a file. As any
> > > > > > > > > executable code, scripts could also use this check [1].
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This is different than faccessat(2) which only checks file access
> > > > > > > > > rights, but not the full context e.g. mount point's noexec, stack limit,
> > > > > > > > > and all potential LSM extra checks (e.g. argv, envp, credentials).
> > > > > > > > > Since the use of AT_CHECK follows the exact kernel semantic as for a
> > > > > > > > > real execution, user space gets the same error codes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So we concluded that execveat(AT_CHECK) will be used to check the
> > > > > > > > exec, shared object, script and config file (such as seccomp config),
> > >
> > > > > > > > I think binfmt_elf.c in the kernel needs to check the ld.so to make
> > > > > > > > sure it passes AT_CHECK, before loading it into memory.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > All ELF dependencies are opened and checked with open_exec(), which
> > > > > > > perform the main executability checks (with the __FMODE_EXEC flag).
> > > > > > > Did I miss something?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > I mean the ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 which is loaded by binfmt in the kernel.
> > > > > > The app can choose its own dynamic linker path during build, (maybe
> > > > > > even statically link one ?) This is another reason that relying on a
> > > > > > userspace only is not enough.
> > > > >
> > > > > The kernel calls open_exec() on all dependencies, including
> > > > > ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, so these files are checked for executability too.
> > > > >
> > > > This might not be entirely true. iiuc, kernel calls open_exec for
> > > > open_exec for interpreter, but not all its dependency (e.g. libc.so.6)
> > >
> > > Correct, the dynamic linker is in charge of that, which is why it must
> > > be enlighten with execveat+AT_CHECK and securebits checks.
> > >
> > > > load_elf_binary() {
> > > > interpreter = open_exec(elf_interpreter);
> > > > }
> > > >
> > > > libc.so.6 is opened and mapped by dynamic linker.
> > > > so the call sequence is:
> > > > execve(a.out)
> > > > - open exec(a.out)
> > > > - security_bprm_creds(a.out)
> > > > - open the exec(ld.so)
> > > > - call open_exec() for interruptor (ld.so)
> > > > - call execveat(AT_CHECK, ld.so) <-- do we want ld.so going through
> > > > the same check and code path as libc.so below ?
> > >
> > > open_exec() checks are enough. LSMs can use this information (open +
> > > __FMODE_EXEC) if needed. execveat+AT_CHECK is only a user space
> > > request.
> > >
> > Then the ld.so doesn't go through the same security_bprm_creds() check
> > as other .so.
>
> Indeed, but...
>
My point is: we will want all the .so going through the same code
path, so security_ functions are called consistently across all the
objects, And in the future, if we want to develop additional LSM
functionality based on AT_CHECK, it will be applied to all objects.
Another thing to consider is: we are asking userspace to make
additional syscall before loading the file into memory/get executed,
there is a possibility for future expansion of the mechanism, without
asking user space to add another syscall again.
I m still not convinced yet that execveat(AT_CHECK) fits more than
faccessat(AT_CHECK)
> >
> > As my previous email, the ChromeOS LSM restricts executable mfd
> > through security_bprm_creds(), the end result is that ld.so can still
> > be executable memfd, but not other .so.
>
> The chromeOS LSM can check that with the security_file_open() hook and
> the __FMODE_EXEC flag, see Landlock's implementation. I think this
> should be the only hook implementation that chromeOS LSM needs to add.
>
> >
> > One way to address this is to refactor the necessary code from
> > execveat() code patch, and make it available to call from both kernel
> > and execveat() code paths., but if we do that, we might as well use
> > faccessat2(AT_CHECK)
>
> That's why I think it makes sense to rely on the existing __FMODE_EXEC
> information.
>
> >
> >
> > > > - transfer the control to ld.so)
> > > > - ld.so open (libc.so)
> > > > - ld.so call execveat(AT_CHECK,libc.so) <-- proposed by this patch,
> > > > require dynamic linker change.
> > > > - ld.so mmap(libc.so,rx)
> > >
> > > Explaining these steps is useful. I'll include that in the next patch
> > > series.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-07-19 15:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-07-04 19:01 [RFC PATCH v19 0/5] Script execution control (was O_MAYEXEC) Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-04 19:01 ` [RFC PATCH v19 1/5] exec: Add a new AT_CHECK flag to execveat(2) Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-05 0:04 ` Kees Cook
2024-07-05 17:53 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 19:38 ` Kees Cook
2024-07-05 18:03 ` Florian Weimer
2024-07-06 14:55 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-06 15:32 ` Florian Weimer
2024-07-08 8:56 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 16:37 ` [PATCH] binfmt_elf: Fail execution of shared objects with ELIBEXEC (was: Re: [RFC PATCH v19 1/5] exec: Add a new AT_CHECK flag to execveat(2)) Florian Weimer
2024-07-08 17:34 ` [PATCH] binfmt_elf: Fail execution of shared objects with ELIBEXEC Eric W. Biederman
2024-07-08 17:59 ` Florian Weimer
2024-07-10 10:05 ` [PATCH] binfmt_elf: Fail execution of shared objects with ELIBEXEC (was: Re: [RFC PATCH v19 1/5] exec: Add a new AT_CHECK flag to execveat(2)) Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 16:08 ` [RFC PATCH v19 1/5] exec: Add a new AT_CHECK flag to execveat(2) Jeff Xu
2024-07-08 16:25 ` Florian Weimer
2024-07-08 16:40 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-08 17:05 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 17:33 ` Florian Weimer
2024-07-08 17:52 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-09 9:18 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-09 10:05 ` Florian Weimer
2024-07-09 20:42 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-09 18:57 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-09 20:41 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-06 8:52 ` Andy Lutomirski
2024-07-07 9:01 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-17 6:33 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-17 8:26 ` Steve Dower
2024-07-17 10:00 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18 1:02 ` Andy Lutomirski
2024-07-18 12:22 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-20 1:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2024-07-20 11:43 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-07-23 13:16 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-23 13:16 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18 1:51 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-18 12:23 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18 22:54 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-17 10:01 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18 2:08 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-18 12:24 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18 13:03 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-18 15:35 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-19 1:29 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-19 8:44 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-19 14:16 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-19 15:04 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-19 15:27 ` Jeff Xu [this message]
2024-07-23 13:15 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-08-05 18:35 ` Jeff Xu
2024-08-09 8:45 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-08-09 16:15 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-19 15:12 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-19 15:31 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-19 17:36 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-23 13:15 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18 14:46 ` enh
2024-07-18 15:35 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-04 19:01 ` [RFC PATCH v19 2/5] security: Add new SHOULD_EXEC_CHECK and SHOULD_EXEC_RESTRICT securebits Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-05 0:18 ` Kees Cook
2024-07-05 17:54 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-05 21:44 ` Kees Cook
2024-07-05 22:22 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-07-06 14:56 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-06 17:28 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-07-06 14:56 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18 14:16 ` Roberto Sassu
2024-07-18 16:20 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 16:17 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-08 17:53 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-08 18:48 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 21:15 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-08 21:25 ` Steve Dower
2024-07-08 22:07 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-09 20:42 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-09 21:57 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-10 9:58 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-10 16:26 ` Kees Cook
2024-07-11 8:57 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-16 15:02 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-16 15:10 ` Steve Dower
2024-07-16 15:15 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-16 15:18 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-10 16:32 ` Steve Dower
2024-07-20 2:06 ` Andy Lutomirski
2024-07-23 13:15 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-04 19:01 ` [RFC PATCH v19 3/5] selftests/exec: Add tests for AT_CHECK and related securebits Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-04 19:01 ` [RFC PATCH v19 4/5] selftests/landlock: Add tests for execveat + AT_CHECK Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-04 19:01 ` [RFC PATCH v19 5/5] samples/should-exec: Add set-should-exec Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 19:40 ` Mimi Zohar
2024-07-09 20:42 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 20:35 ` [RFC PATCH v19 0/5] Script execution control (was O_MAYEXEC) Mimi Zohar
2024-07-09 20:43 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-16 15:57 ` Roberto Sassu
2024-07-16 16:12 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-16 17:31 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18 16:21 ` Mickaël Salaün
[not found] ` <E608EDB8-72E8-4791-AC9B-8FF9AC753FBE@sempervictus.com>
2024-07-16 17:47 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-17 17:59 ` Boris Lukashev
2024-07-18 13:00 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-15 20:16 ` Jonathan Corbet
2024-07-16 7:13 ` Mickaël Salaün
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