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From: Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>
To: Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@amazon.com>
Cc: andrii@kernel.org, ast@kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 bpf-next 0/5] af_unix: Allow BPF LSM to scrub SCM_RIGHTS at sendmsg().
Date: Tue, 6 May 2025 18:25:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAP01T74osG0y2LPY1uhmZtf4ag==RZ1OjLU3wQu_c-z5Wr2ZbA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250506002813.65225-1-kuniyu@amazon.com>

On Tue, 6 May 2025 at 02:28, Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@amazon.com> wrote:
>
> From: Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 6 May 2025 00:49:11 +0200
> > On Mon, 5 May 2025 at 23:58, Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@amazon.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > As long as recvmsg() or recvmmsg() is used with cmsg, it is not
> > > possible to avoid receiving file descriptors via SCM_RIGHTS.
> > >
> > > This behaviour has occasionally been flagged as problematic.
> > >
> > > For instance, as noted on the uAPI Group page [0], an untrusted peer
> > > could send a file descriptor pointing to a hung NFS mount and then
> > > close it.  Once the receiver calls recvmsg() with msg_control, the
> > > descriptor is automatically installed, and then the responsibility
> > > for the final close() now falls on the receiver, which may result
> > > in blocking the process for a long time.
> > >
> > > systemd calls cmsg_close_all() [1] after each recvmsg() to close()
> > > unwanted file descriptors sent via SCM_RIGHTS.
> > >
> > > However, this cannot work around the issue because the last fput()
> > > could occur on the receiver side once sendmsg() with SCM_RIGHTS
> > > succeeds.  Also, even filtering by LSM at recvmsg() does not work
> > > for the same reason.
> > >
> > > Thus, we need a better way to filter SCM_RIGHTS on the sender side.
> > >
> > > This series allows BPF LSM to inspect skb at sendmsg() and scrub
> > > SCM_RIGHTS fds by kfunc.
> > >
> > > Link: https://uapi-group.org/kernel-features/#disabling-reception-of-scm_rights-for-af_unix-sockets #[0]
> > > Link: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/v257.5/src/basic/fd-util.c#L612-L628 #[1]
> > >
> >
> > This sounds pretty useful!
> >
> > I think you should mention the cases of possible DoS on close() or
> > flooding, e.g. with FUSE controlled fd/NFS hangs in the commit log
> > itself.
> > I think it's been an open problem for a while now with no good solution.
> > Currently systemd's FDSTORE=1 for PID 1 is susceptible to the same
> > problem, even if the underlying service isn't root.
>
> Good point, will add the description in v2.
>
>
> >
> > I think it is also useful for restricting what individual file
> > descriptors can be passed around by a process.
> > Say restricting usage of an fd to a process and its children, but not
> > allowing it to be shared with others.
> > Send side hook is the right point to enforce it.
>
> Agreed.
>
> Actually, I tried per-fd filtering first and failed somehow so
> wanted some advice from BPF folks :)
>
> For example, I implemented kfunc like:
>
> __bpf_kfunc int bpf_unix_scrub_file(struct sk_buff *skb, struct file *filp)
> {
>         /* scrub fd matching file if exists */
> }
>
> and tried filp == NULL -> scrub all so that I can gradually extend
> the functionality, but verifier didn't allow passing NULL.
>
> Also, once a fd is scrubbed, I do not want to leave the array entry
> empty to avoid adding unnecessary "if (fpl->fp[i] == -1)" test in
> other places.
>
>        struct scm_fp_list *fpl = UNIXCB(skb).fp;
>
>        /* scrubbed fpl->fp[i] here. */
>
>        fpl->fp[i] = fpl->fp[fpl->count - 1];
>        fpl->count--;
>
> But this could confuse BPF prog if it was iterating fpl->fp[] in for
> loop and I was wondering how the interface should be like.
>
>   * Keep the empty index and ignore at core code ?
>   * Provide a fd iterator ?
>   * Scrub based on index ? matching fd ? or struct file ?
>     * -1 works as ALL_INDEX or ALL_FDS but NULL doesn't
>   * Invoke BPF LSM per-fd ?
>     * Maybe no as sender/receiver pair is always same for the same skb
>
> I guess keeping the empty index as is and index based scrubbing
> would be simpler and cleaner ?
>
>
> >
> > Therefore exercising scm_fp_list would be a good idea.
> > We should provide some more examples of the filtering policy in the selftests.
> > Maybe a simple example, e.g. only memfd or a pipe fd can be passed,
> > and nothing else.
> > It would require checking file->f_ops.
>
> Yes, and I thought we need fd-to-file kfunc or BPF helper, but I was
> not sure which would be better as both functionality should be stable.
> But given the user needs to inspect the raw scm_fp_list, kfunc is better ?
>
> * bpf_fd_to_file()
> or
> * bpf_unix_get_scm_rights() -> return struct file ?
>
> plus
>
> * bpf_unix_scrub_scm_rights() -> scrub based on fd or file ?
>
>

Given you're probably going to drop scrubbing, all you'd need is to
pass the pointer to file to inspect is f = bpf_core_cast(&fpl->fp[i],
struct file).
Then just find out the type of file using f->f_ops == something and if
a disallowed file type is seen, return the verdict.

> [...]

  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-06 16:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-05 21:56 [PATCH v1 bpf-next 0/5] af_unix: Allow BPF LSM to scrub SCM_RIGHTS at sendmsg() Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-05 21:56 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 1/5] af_unix: Call security_unix_may_send() in sendmsg() for all socket types Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-05 21:56 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 2/5] af_unix: Pass skb to security_unix_may_send() Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-05 21:56 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 3/5] af_unix: Remove redundant scm->fp check in __scm_destroy() Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-09 14:13   ` kernel test robot
2025-05-05 21:56 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 4/5] bpf: Add kfunc to scrub SCM_RIGHTS at security_unix_may_send() Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-06  0:13   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-06  8:25     ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-05-09 15:06   ` kernel test robot
2025-05-05 21:56 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 5/5] selftest: bpf: Add test for bpf_unix_scrub_fds() Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-05 22:49 ` [PATCH v1 bpf-next 0/5] af_unix: Allow BPF LSM to scrub SCM_RIGHTS at sendmsg() Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-05-06  0:21   ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-06 16:25     ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi [this message]
2025-05-06 18:16       ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-06  9:15   ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-06 16:08     ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-05-06 18:14       ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-05 23:21 ` Paul Moore
2025-05-06  0:35   ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-06 14:57     ` Paul Moore
2025-05-06 12:17 ` Lennart Poettering
2025-05-06 18:19   ` Kuniyuki Iwashima

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