From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C36332F43; Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:08:34 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1742576915; cv=none; b=JGihhlkPCitBVKOZdWmIrK6W9fVQwrAfEZRb+VoMqyE6qEF/s/Lf8ke2of91axnRgkhJYf654kIu2FMxihmyH2u7kn8yBrDdlif8vUBA/aTXrqgnDnEbvHjUcoLWOnKPo9xpdsDSILPYfqGEp90BVHGxSRa0mAFb0qFxhicVA1Q= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1742576915; c=relaxed/simple; bh=1NgC7WYxjVqQXoN0hz/U33WN/j1JXyX9+hiBoc78bd8=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=lCr29PxA75xC07ILrPnU1DOrTeRBZqt7wKSaeC0XGsWijBLWeMtPmq/EcTQbM7eYXniGZk0LIgLFo/FMMGkAix3ElxSjsH0Sk1ohzn2aD8668JQgUIvzyKMAIKSs5YSpWiU9tMSymrDZVc2Ou2wWNitQ3HyLRJKOApuDC8Nwlg4= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=kDTu5oS3; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="kDTu5oS3" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 082E6C4CEE3; Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:08:32 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1742576914; bh=1NgC7WYxjVqQXoN0hz/U33WN/j1JXyX9+hiBoc78bd8=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=kDTu5oS3ogEDl/QCQwW3/iBgnFdqP5u6Q939YLryrfrOrgy2xdjcG2CMeBORC7SSM 8HUgiF6AqPtxFzntp0mYL+YKvDzxftGUNxDR4L88V9YRCv3aV3w1vZU17oY3At5ckA tZRSrPR4Gm7tWM/h5RQVxhBc+MnYYG5qjPSwLZC3Z3Zwz4+LYB/WxlESwvyIU1OvVz 7YBIEsrXk4UkqOeG9uY5nCREPIUoKUo1npt0UGPa3GmPr8uHnAcG0VS9+0jYZX+5wZ vUYhsDQkdjfVrGIPcB6hNUeReKDEUbYrzc8S08J7g1Zy0pBvIwOQB6xHA+7aCy1ACP uUXxU402YUGqQ== Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:08:27 +0200 From: Jarkko Sakkinen To: James Bottomley Cc: Eric Snowberg , Paul Moore , Mimi Zohar , David Howells , "open list:SECURITY SUBSYSTEM" , David Woodhouse , "herbert@gondor.apana.org.au" , "davem@davemloft.net" , Ard Biesheuvel , James Morris , "Serge E. Hallyn" , Roberto Sassu , Dmitry Kasatkin , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Micka=EBl_Sala=FCn?= , "casey@schaufler-ca.com" , Stefan Berger , "ebiggers@kernel.org" , Randy Dunlap , open list , "keyrings@vger.kernel.org" , "linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org" , "linux-efi@vger.kernel.org" , "linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org" Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 00/13] Clavis LSM Message-ID: References: <73B78CE7-1BB8-4065-9EBA-FB69E327725E@oracle.com> <1A222B45-FCC4-4BBD-8E17-D92697FE467D@oracle.com> <1956e7f9d60.28a7.85c95baa4474aabc7814e68940a78392@paul-moore.com> <95e7a43a2dd675615a146c56a10abf6921f955f9.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <95e7a43a2dd675615a146c56a10abf6921f955f9.camel@HansenPartnership.com> On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 06:40:55PM -0400, James Bottomley wrote: > On Thu, 2025-03-20 at 16:24 +0000, Eric Snowberg wrote: > > Having lockdown enforcement has always been > > a requirement to get a shim signed by Microsoft. > > This is factually incorrect. Microsoft transferred shim signing to an > independent process run by a group of open source maintainers a while > ago: > > https://github.com/rhboot/shim-review/ > > If you actually look, you'll see even Microsoft has to obey this > upstream process for their Linux distro: > > https://github.com/rhboot/shim-review/issues/427 I did not know this. Thanks for educating! > > Regards, > > James > BR, Jarkko