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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>,
	jack@suse.cz, Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] bcachefs: do not use PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2024 20:47:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zszbt8M5mUPZjbFq@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <rwqusvtkwzbr2pc2hwmt2lkpffzivrlaw3xfrnrqxze6wmpsex@s3eavvieveld>

On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 03:42:59PM -0400, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 08:41:42PM GMT, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 03:39:47PM -0400, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> > > Given the amount of plumbing required here, it's clear that passing gfp
> > > flags is the less safe way of doing it, and this really does belong in
> > > the allocation context.
> > > 
> > > Failure to pass gfp flags correctly (which we know is something that
> > > happens today, e.g. vmalloc -> pte allocation) means you're introducing
> > > a deadlock.
> > 
> > The problem with vmalloc is that the page table allocation _doesn't_
> > take a GFP parameter.
> 
> yeah, I know. I posted patches to plumb it through, which were nacked by
> Linus.
> 
> And we're trying to get away from passing gfp flags directly, are we
> not? I just don't buy the GFP_NOFAIL unsafety argument.

The problem with the giant invasive change of "getting away from passing
GFP flags directly" is that you need to build consensus for what it
looks like and convince everyone that you have a solution that solves
all the problems, or at least doesn't make any of those problems worse.
You haven't done that, you've just committed code that the MM people hate
(indeed already rejected), and set back the idea.

Look, it's not your job to fix it, but if you want to do it, do it
properly.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-26 19:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-26  8:47 [PATCH 0/2] get rid of PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM Michal Hocko
2024-08-26  8:47 ` [PATCH 1/2] bcachefs: do not use PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 13:11   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-08-26 16:48     ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 19:39   ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-26 19:41     ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-08-26 19:42       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-26 19:47         ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2024-08-26 19:54           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-26 19:44       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-26 19:58     ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 20:00       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-26 20:27         ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 20:43           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-26 21:10             ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-27  6:01             ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-27  6:40               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-27  6:58                 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-27  7:05                   ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-27  7:35                     ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 19:52   ` kernel test robot
2024-08-26 20:53   ` kernel test robot
2024-08-27  2:23   ` kernel test robot
2024-08-27  6:15   ` [PATCH 1/2 v2] " Michal Hocko
2024-08-27 12:29     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-08-28  4:09     ` Dave Chinner
2024-08-29 10:02       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-29 13:12         ` Dave Chinner
2024-08-29 13:22           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-29 13:32           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-29 14:03             ` Yafang Shao
2024-09-02  0:23             ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-02  1:35               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-09-02  8:41                 ` Michal Hocko
2024-09-02  8:52                   ` Kent Overstreet
2024-09-02  9:39                     ` Michal Hocko
2024-09-02  9:51                       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-09-02 14:07                         ` Jonathan Corbet
2024-09-04 18:01                         ` Shuah Khan
2024-11-20 20:34                           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-20 21:12                             ` Shuah Khan
2024-11-20 21:20                               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-20 21:37                                 ` Shuah Khan
2024-11-20 22:21                                   ` Shuah Khan
2024-11-20 22:39                                     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-20 22:55                                       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-20 23:21                                         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-20 23:47                                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-11-20 23:57                                           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-21  0:10                                           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-21  4:25                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-21  4:53                                             ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-21 23:53                                             ` Shuah Khan
2024-11-22  6:51                                               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-22 12:06                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-21 21:32                                           ` Martin Steigerwald
2024-11-22  9:47                                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2024-11-21  5:51                                         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-21  8:43                                       ` review process (was: underalated stuff) Michal Hocko
2024-11-21  9:03                                         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-11-21 20:17                                       ` [PATCH 1/2 v2] bcachefs: do not use PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM Simona Vetter
2024-11-21 21:26                                     ` Martin Steigerwald
2024-11-22 21:48                         ` Dan Williams
2024-11-22 22:02                           ` Kent Overstreet
     [not found]                           ` <1592065022.1379875.1732602282945@fidget.co-bxl>
2024-11-26  6:27                             ` Dylan ‎ ‎
2024-08-29  9:37   ` [PATCH 1/2] " Jan Kara
2024-08-26  8:47 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm: drop PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 13:48   ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-26 16:54     ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 13:59   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-08-26 16:51     ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 17:49       ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-08-26 19:18         ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-26 19:20           ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-08-28  4:11           ` Dave Chinner
2024-08-29 21:45           ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-08-26 19:04   ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-27 12:29   ` Christoph Hellwig
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-09-02  9:51 [PATCH 0/2 v2] remove PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM Michal Hocko
2024-09-02  9:51 ` [PATCH 1/2] bcachefs: do not use PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM Michal Hocko
2024-09-05  9:28   ` kernel test robot
2024-09-26 17:11 [PATCH 0/2 v3] remove PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM Michal Hocko
2024-09-26 17:11 ` [PATCH 1/2] bcachefs: do not use PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM Michal Hocko

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