From: "Günther Noack" <gnoack@google.com>
To: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>,
"Konstantin Meskhidze" <konstantin.meskhidze@huawei.com>,
"Tingmao Wang" <m@maowtm.org>, "Paul Moore" <paul@paul-moore.com>,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] landlock: Multithreading support for landlock_restrict_self()
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2025 10:36:12 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aSgbjOl6reyLNRMG@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG48ez3MxN524ge_sZeTwL0FEDASaSTb-gm1vPO8UwpijTeHqw@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Oct 24, 2025 at 11:29:51PM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2025 at 10:12 PM Mickaël Salaün <mic@digikod.net> wrote:
> > Is it safe to prevent inconsistencies wrt execve? seccomp uses
> > cred_guard_mutex (new code should probably use exec_update_lock), why
> > should Landlock not do the same?
>
> We don't have to worry about interactions with execve because, unlike
> seccomp, we don't directly change properties of another running
> thread; we ask other threads to change their credentials _themselves_.
> From a locking context, restrict_one_thread() essentially runs in the
> same kind of context as a syscall, and doesn't need any more locking
> than the existing landlock_restrict_self().
>
> > Why shouldn't we lock sighand as well?
>
> seccomp uses siglock for the following reasons:
>
> 1. to protect against concurrent access to one thread's seccomp filter
> information from multiple threads; we don't do anything like that
> 2. to protect the for_each_thread() loop; we use RCU for that (we
> could also use siglock but there's no reason to do that, and RCU is
> more lightweight than the siglock which requires disabling interrupts)
> 3. to ensure that threads' seccomp states don't change between its two
> loops over other threads (seccomp_can_sync_threads() and
> seccomp_sync_threads()); we don't do anything like that
Thanks for digging this up! I used a (reworded) variant of these three
points to document the locking rationale in the code.
—Günther
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-27 9:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-01 11:23 [PATCH v2 0/2] Landlock multithreaded enforcement Günther Noack
2025-10-01 11:18 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] landlock: Multithreading support for landlock_restrict_self() Günther Noack
2025-10-17 15:04 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-10-24 21:18 ` Jann Horn
2025-11-27 9:34 ` Günther Noack
2025-11-27 9:32 ` Günther Noack
2025-10-20 20:12 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-10-24 21:29 ` Jann Horn
2025-11-27 9:36 ` Günther Noack [this message]
2025-11-27 9:56 ` Günther Noack
2025-10-24 21:11 ` Jann Horn
2025-11-27 10:32 ` Günther Noack
2025-10-01 11:18 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] landlock: selftests for LANDLOCK_RESTRICT_SELF_TSYNC Günther Noack
2025-10-17 15:05 ` Mickaël Salaün
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