From: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
To: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>, Justin Suess <utilityemal77@gmail.com>
Cc: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>,
ast@kernel.org, daniel@iogearbox.net, kpsingh@kernel.org,
john.fastabend@gmail.com, andrii@kernel.org,
viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, brauner@kernel.org, kees@kernel.org,
gnoack@google.com, jack@suse.cz, jmorris@namei.org,
serge@hallyn.com, song@kernel.org, yonghong.song@linux.dev,
martin.lau@linux.dev, m@maowtm.org, eddyz87@gmail.com,
sdf@fomichev.me, skhan@linuxfoundation.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
"Frederick Lawler" <fred@cloudflare.com>,
"Casey Schaufler" <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 06/20] bpf: lsm: Add Landlock kfuncs
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2026 14:41:49 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <c9abd9ab-3379-47ab-ad41-79cec8f465c2@schaufler-ca.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHC9VhTQtHPFGqu58EaFqMobV3LCcTsdzYfxy568P8mU769TMg@mail.gmail.com>
On 7/1/2026 1:02 PM, Paul Moore wrote:
> ...
>
>> Each LSM calls this once to register its sets. Because registration goes
>> through the framework, the framework gets to decide whether to actually
>> register them so you could, for example, run an LSM while explicitly
>> opting its BPF kfuncs out. (something that should be done at the LSM
>> framework level).
> I'm not opposed to the LSM supporting a set of kfuncs, see my comments
> in other threads, but we should treat these kfuncs just as we treat
> other LSM hooks today because that is what they are: LSM hooks that
> happened to be called from within a BPF program.
As someone who has been working to get the SELinux specific assumptions
out of the LSM framework for the past 15 years the notion of adding
Landlock specific interfaces makes me want to cry. Is it really that
difficult to understand that 5 or 10 years from now something is going
to come along that makes any LSM specific interface a nightmare? What
if there's an LSM that does what Landlock does, but does it better?
What if the Landlock sponsors decide to quit funding it? Or the maintainers
get bored?
I agree with Paul completely. Make the hooks available to any and all
LSMs, or don't make them at all.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-01 21:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-04-07 20:01 [RFC PATCH 00/20] BPF interface for applying Landlock rulesets Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 01/20] landlock: Move operations from syscall into ruleset code Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 02/20] execve: Add set_nnp_on_point_of_no_return Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 03/20] landlock: Implement LANDLOCK_RESTRICT_SELF_NO_NEW_PRIVS Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 04/20] selftests/landlock: Cover LANDLOCK_RESTRICT_SELF_NO_NEW_PRIVS Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 05/20] landlock: Make ruleset deferred free RCU safe Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 06/20] bpf: lsm: Add Landlock kfuncs Justin Suess
2026-07-01 10:59 ` Mickaël Salaün
2026-07-01 12:12 ` Paul Moore
2026-07-01 12:52 ` Justin Suess
2026-07-01 13:28 ` Paul Moore
2026-07-01 18:29 ` Justin Suess
2026-07-01 18:33 ` Paul Moore
2026-07-01 18:34 ` Mickaël Salaün
2026-07-01 18:38 ` Paul Moore
2026-07-01 19:49 ` Mickaël Salaün
2026-07-01 19:55 ` Justin Suess
2026-07-01 20:02 ` Paul Moore
2026-07-01 21:28 ` Mickaël Salaün
2026-07-01 23:32 ` Paul Moore
2026-07-01 21:41 ` Casey Schaufler [this message]
2026-07-01 19:56 ` Paul Moore
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 07/20] bpf: arraymap: Implement Landlock ruleset map Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 08/20] bpf: Add Landlock ruleset map type Justin Suess
2026-04-16 21:12 ` Song Liu
2026-04-16 21:53 ` Justin Suess
2026-04-16 23:47 ` Song Liu
2026-04-17 14:09 ` Justin Suess
2026-04-17 15:18 ` Mickaël Salaün
2026-04-17 16:10 ` Song Liu
2026-04-17 18:01 ` Mickaël Salaün
2026-04-17 16:51 ` Justin Suess
2026-04-17 18:03 ` Mickaël Salaün
2026-04-17 20:33 ` Justin Suess
2026-04-17 20:42 ` Song Liu
2026-04-18 21:50 ` Justin Suess
2026-04-17 16:01 ` Song Liu
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 09/20] bpf: syscall: Handle Landlock ruleset maps Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 10/20] bpf: verifier: Add Landlock ruleset map support Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 11/20] selftests/bpf: Add Landlock kfunc declarations Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 12/20] selftests/landlock: Rename gettid wrapper for BPF reuse Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 13/20] selftests/bpf: Enable Landlock in selftests kernel Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 14/20] selftests/bpf: Add Landlock kfunc test program Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 15/20] selftests/bpf: Add Landlock kfunc test runner Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 16/20] landlock: Bump ABI version Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 17/20] tools: bpftool: Add documentation for landlock_ruleset Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 18/20] landlock: Document LANDLOCK_RESTRICT_SELF_NO_NEW_PRIVS Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 19/20] bpf: Document BPF_MAP_TYPE_LANDLOCK_RULESET Justin Suess
2026-04-07 20:01 ` [RFC PATCH 20/20] MAINTAINERS: update entry for the Landlock subsystem Justin Suess
2026-04-08 4:40 ` [RFC PATCH 00/20] BPF interface for applying Landlock rulesets Ihor Solodrai
2026-04-08 11:41 ` Justin Suess
2026-04-08 14:00 ` Mickaël Salaün
2026-04-08 17:10 ` Justin Suess
2026-04-08 19:21 ` Mickaël Salaün
2026-04-10 12:43 ` Justin Suess
2026-04-13 15:06 ` Justin Suess
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