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Wysocki wrote: > On Mon, Mar 9, 2026 at 1:24 PM Artem S. Tashkinov wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> When Secure Boot is enabled and kernel lockdown is active, the x86 MSR >> driver blocks all raw MSR access from user space via `/dev/cpu/*/msr`. >> This effectively prevents legitimate use of documented CPU power and >> thermal management interfaces such as RAPL power limits (PL1/PL2) and >> the TCC/TjOffset control. These registers are part of Intel’s >> **publicly** documented architectural interface and have been stable >> across many generations of processors. > > There is a power capping RAPL driver. What's the problem with it with > Secure Boot enabled? Hello, I believe that the comment about Secure Boot might come from the partially incorrect documentation of lockdown: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-security-module/20260203195001.20131-1-hi@alyssa.is/ > -On an EFI-enabled x86 or arm64 machine, lockdown will be automatically enabled > -if the system boots in EFI Secure Boot mode. > This is true for Fedora, where this page was sourced from, but I don't > believe it has ever been true for the mainline kernel, because Linus > rejected it. > >> As a result, under Secure Boot Linux users lose the ability to read or >> adjust **standard** power-management controls that remain available >> through equivalent tooling on other operating systems. > > The power capping RAPL driver is there, please use it. It is documented even. > > There is also a driver for TCC/TjOffset control, it is called intel_tcc_cooling. > > And there are utilities in user space (for example, Intel thermald) > that use those interfaces. > >> The current all-or-nothing restriction appears broader than necessary >> for the stated goal of protecting kernel integrity. MSRs associated with >> power limits and TCC offset are not privileged debugging or microcode >> interfaces but standard hardware configuration knobs intended for >> platform power and thermal management. >> >> It would be useful if the kernel either allowed access to a small >> whitelist of such documented registers under lockdown or exposed a >> mediated kernel interface for adjusting them. Without such a mechanism, >> Secure Boot effectively disables legitimate and widely used >> power/thermal tuning functionality on modern Intel laptops. >> >> Most (if not all) Intel laptops don't expose or allow to configure >> PL1/PL2 limits in BIOS/EFI either. > > Because it is not necessary to do so. > -- bauen1