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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Marco Elver <elver@google.com>
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Luc Van Oostenryck <luc.vanoostenryck@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/34] Compiler-Based Capability- and Locking-Analysis
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2025 12:21:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250304112114.GE11590@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250304092417.2873893-1-elver@google.com>

On Tue, Mar 04, 2025 at 10:20:59AM +0100, Marco Elver wrote:

> === Initial Uses ===
> 
> With this initial series, the following synchronization primitives are
> supported: `raw_spinlock_t`, `spinlock_t`, `rwlock_t`, `mutex`,
> `seqlock_t`, `bit_spinlock`, RCU, SRCU (`srcu_struct`), `rw_semaphore`,
> `local_lock_t`, `ww_mutex`.

Wasn't there a limitation wrt recursion -- specifically RCU is very much
a recursive lock and TS didn't really fancy that?


>   - Rename __var_guarded_by to simply __guarded_by. Initially the idea
>     was to be explicit about if the variable itself or the pointed-to
>     data is guarded, but in the long-term, making this shorter might be
>     better.
> 
>   - Likewise rename __ref_guarded_by to __pt_guarded_by.

Shorter is better :-)

Anyway; I think I would like to start talking about extensions for these
asap.

Notably I feel like we should have a means to annotate the rules for
access/read vs modify/write to a variable.

The obvious case is RCU; where holding RCU is sufficient to read, but
modification requires a 'real' lock. This is not something that can be
currently expressed.

The other is the lock pattern I touched upon the other day, where
reading is permitted when holding one of two locks, while writing
requires holding both locks.

Being able to explicitly write that in the __guarded_by() annotations is
the cleanest way I think.

Anyway, let me go stare at the actual patches :-)

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-03-04 11:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-04  9:20 [PATCH v2 00/34] Compiler-Based Capability- and Locking-Analysis Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 01/34] compiler_types: Move lock checking attributes to compiler-capability-analysis.h Marco Elver
2025-03-04 23:26   ` Bart Van Assche
2025-03-05  8:36   ` Dan Carpenter
2025-03-05  9:13     ` Marco Elver
2025-03-05  9:27       ` Dan Carpenter
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 02/34] compiler-capability-analysis: Add infrastructure for Clang's capability analysis Marco Elver
2025-03-04 15:29   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-04 16:05     ` Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 03/34] compiler-capability-analysis: Add test stub Marco Elver
2025-03-04 23:52   ` Bart Van Assche
2025-03-05  0:03     ` Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 04/34] Documentation: Add documentation for Compiler-Based Capability Analysis Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 05/34] checkpatch: Warn about capability_unsafe() without comment Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 06/34] cleanup: Basic compatibility with capability analysis Marco Elver
2025-03-04 12:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-04 13:09     ` Marco Elver
2025-03-04 23:57   ` Bart Van Assche
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 07/34] lockdep: Annotate lockdep assertions for " Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 08/34] locking/rwlock, spinlock: Support Clang's " Marco Elver
2025-03-04 14:30   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 09/34] compiler-capability-analysis: Change __cond_acquires to take return value Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 10/34] locking/mutex: Support Clang's capability analysis Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 11/34] locking/seqlock: " Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 12/34] bit_spinlock: Include missing <asm/processor.h> Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 13/34] bit_spinlock: Support Clang's capability analysis Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 14/34] rcu: " Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 15/34] srcu: " Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 16/34] kref: Add capability-analysis annotations Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 17/34] locking/rwsem: Support Clang's capability analysis Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 18/34] locking/local_lock: Include missing headers Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 19/34] locking/local_lock: Support Clang's capability analysis Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 20/34] locking/ww_mutex: " Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 21/34] debugfs: Make debugfs_cancellation a capability struct Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 22/34] compiler-capability-analysis: Remove Sparse support Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 23/34] compiler-capability-analysis: Remove __cond_lock() function-like helper Marco Elver
2025-03-04 23:25   ` Bart Van Assche
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 24/34] compiler-capability-analysis: Introduce header suppressions Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 25/34] compiler: Let data_race() imply disabled capability analysis Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 26/34] kfence: Enable " Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 27/34] kcov: " Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 28/34] stackdepot: " Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 29/34] rhashtable: " Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 30/34] printk: Move locking annotation to printk.c Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 31/34] drivers/tty: Enable capability analysis for core files Marco Elver
2025-03-05  9:15   ` Jiri Slaby
2025-03-05  9:26     ` Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 32/34] security/tomoyo: Enable capability analysis Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 33/34] crypto: " Marco Elver
2025-03-04  9:21 ` [PATCH v2 34/34] MAINTAINERS: Add entry for Capability Analysis Marco Elver
2025-03-04 23:18   ` Bart Van Assche
2025-03-04 11:21 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-03-04 11:43   ` [PATCH v2 00/34] Compiler-Based Capability- and Locking-Analysis Marco Elver
2025-03-05 11:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-05 15:27   ` Bart Van Assche
2025-03-05 16:16     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-08-06 13:36   ` Marco Elver

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