From: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: "Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
"Jiri Slaby" <jirislaby@kernel.org>,
"Sergey Senozhatsky" <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
linux-serial@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Andy Shevchenko" <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
"Tony Lindgren" <tony@atomide.com>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
"Uwe Kleine-König" <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de>,
"Ilpo Järvinen" <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>,
"Serge Semin" <fancer.lancer@gmail.com>,
"Rengarajan S" <rengarajan.s@microchip.com>,
"Wolfram Sang" <wsa+renesas@sang-engineering.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH next v1 1/2] serial: 8250: Switch to nbcon console
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2024 18:44:41 +0206 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87jzfod9f2.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mskkdhwd.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de>
On 2024-09-06, John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de> wrote:
>> Wait! This makes the rs485 consoles much less usable for debugging.
>> They might have troubles to see the emergency and panic messages.
>>
>> Is this acceptable? Why?
>
> It is not acceptable. I am looking into making the atomic part work for
> RS485 as well.
So there are 2 things _not_ supported by the write_atomic() callback:
1. RS485 mode. This is due to the need to start up TX for the
write, which can lead to:
up->rs485_start_tx()
serial8250_em485_start_tx()
serial8250_stop_rx()
serial8250_rpm_get()
pm_runtime_get_sync()
__pm_runtime_resume()
spin_lock_irqsave()
Taking a spin lock is not safe from NMI and thus disqualifies this call
chain for write_atomic().
If UART_CAP_RPM is not set, the pm_runtime_get_sync() is avoided. So I
could only disable atomic RS485 if UART_CAP_RPM is set. But the OMAP
variant of the 8250 does set this capability.
2. Modem control. This is due to waiting for inputs, which can lead to:
serial8250_modem_status()
wake_up_interruptible()
Performing wakes is not safe from scheduler or NMI and thus disqualifies
this call chain for write_atomic().
It would probably be acceptable to move serial8250_modem_status() into
an irq_work.
I would be grateful for any insights on how best to handle these 2
issues if we want full write_atomic() support for all 8250 variants.
John
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-09-06 16:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-09-05 13:47 [PATCH tty-next v1 0/2] convert 8250 to nbcon John Ogness
2024-09-05 13:47 ` [PATCH next v1 1/2] serial: 8250: Switch to nbcon console John Ogness
2024-09-05 14:15 ` Andy Shevchenko
2024-09-05 19:23 ` John Ogness
2024-09-05 19:30 ` Andy Shevchenko
2024-09-06 10:10 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-09-06 12:37 ` Petr Mladek
2024-09-06 13:35 ` John Ogness
2024-09-06 16:38 ` John Ogness [this message]
2024-09-07 20:39 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-09-09 9:53 ` Andy Shevchenko
2024-09-09 12:13 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-09-09 9:50 ` Andy Shevchenko
2024-09-05 13:47 ` [PATCH next v1 2/2] serial: 8250: Revert "drop lockdep annotation from serial8250_clear_IER()" John Ogness
2024-09-05 13:53 ` [PATCH tty-next v1 0/2] convert 8250 to nbcon Andy Shevchenko
2024-09-05 14:05 ` John Ogness
2024-09-05 14:09 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-09-05 14:12 ` John Ogness
2024-09-05 14:17 ` Andy Shevchenko
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