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From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
To: Ryo Takakura <ryotkkr98@gmail.com>
Cc: john.ogness@linutronix.de, Jason@zx2c4.com,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, linux-serial@vger.kernel.org,
	lkp@intel.com, oe-lkp@lists.linux.dev, oliver.sang@intel.com
Subject: Re: [linux-next:master] [serial]  b63e6f60ea: BUG:soft_lockup-CPU##stuck_for#s![modprobe:#]
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2025 11:02:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aAn-PkxRAz34tTPR@pathway.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250424081101.110914-1-ryotkkr98@gmail.com>

On Thu 2025-04-24 17:11:01, Ryo Takakura wrote:
> Hi Petr and John!
> 
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 14:15:01 +0200, Petr Mladek wrote:
> >On Mon 2025-04-21 12:41:50, Ryo Takakura wrote:
> >> Hi!
> >> 
> >> I would like to follow up the last email that I sent.
> >> 
> >> First, I'm sorry that I later realized that I should have tested
> >> the rslib test as an inserted module, as how the robot does, by
> >> choosing CONFIG_REED_SOLOMON_TEST=m.
> >> Not as a boottime test by enabling CONFIG_REED_SOLOMON_TEST=y.
> >> 
> >> Running the rslib test as an inserted module without the John's series
> >> was less prone to softlockup. Without the John's series, softlockup shows
> >> up once in a test or not at all. With the John's series, softlockup can
> >> be observed constanly over the test.
> >
> >> >>Thanks Ryo for looking into this! I think we need to have a technical
> >> >>explanation/understanding of the problem so that it is clear how my
> >> >>series triggers or exaggerates the issue.
> >> 
> >> As mentioned earlier, I'm sorry that I should have run the test as
> >> inserted module... It seems the series does make the test more prone
> >> to softlockups.
> >
> >IMHO, the main difference is that the patch "serial: 8250: Switch to
> >nbcon console" removes touch_nmi_watchdog() from
> >serial8250_console_write().
> >
> >The touch_nmi_watchdog() resets the softlockup watchdog. It might
> >hide that the CPU did not schedule for a long time.
> >
> >The touch_nmi_watchdog() was there because the console_lock() owner,
> >used by the legacy loop, was responsible for flushing all pending
> >messages. And there might be many pending messages when new ones
> >were added by other CPUs in parallel. And the legacy loop
> >could not call cond_resched() when called from printk() because
> >printk() might be called in atomic context.
> 
> I see. Without the John's series, the cond_resched() in the mention
> code path should be called during the rslib test as it's not in atomic
> context in addition to the touch_nmi_watchdog().

Just to be sure. The right fix is to add cond_resched() to rslib test.
The code should allow scheduling and do not block the CPU for too
long.

touch_nmi_watchdog() just hides the problem. It was used in printk()
because there was no better solution.

> I used this kernel[1] which is for raspberry pi. Let me recheck
> with some other machine with Linus' master and linux-next to see
> if the behavior is raspberry pi specific.

John explained why the emergency context helped. I think that we have
a pretty good understating of what is going on there.

I believe that the problem will be the same in all code streams.
It might be enough to check one of them (Linus' tree or linux-next)
just to be sure that the fix applies and it has not been already
fixed.

Best Regards,
Petr

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-04-24  9:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-22  2:28 [linux-next:master] [serial] b63e6f60ea: BUG:soft_lockup-CPU##stuck_for#s![modprobe:#] kernel test robot
2025-01-22  8:41 ` John Ogness
2025-01-22  9:37   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-01-24 16:10 ` Petr Mladek
2025-01-24 16:39   ` Petr Mladek
2025-03-15  3:38   ` Ryo Takakura
2025-03-17  8:45     ` John Ogness
2025-03-17 14:42       ` Ryo Takakura
2025-04-21  3:41         ` Ryo Takakura
2025-04-22 12:15           ` Petr Mladek
2025-04-22 14:03             ` John Ogness
2025-04-24  8:11             ` Ryo Takakura
2025-04-24  9:00               ` John Ogness
2025-04-24 14:13                 ` Ryo Takakura
2025-04-24  9:02               ` Petr Mladek [this message]
2025-04-24 14:17                 ` Ryo Takakura
2025-04-30  9:15               ` Ryo Takakura
2025-04-30 15:41                 ` John Ogness
2025-05-01  4:10                   ` Ryo Takakura
2025-06-16 15:15                     ` Florian Bezdeka
2025-06-18  4:42                       ` John Ogness

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