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From: Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Askar Safin" <safinaskar@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND 21/62] init: remove all mentions of root=/dev/ram*
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2025 06:41:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1b39712b-86c1-4eff-83ea-eb8b180db48c@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250914131321.df00dfc835be48c10f4cce4b@linux-foundation.org>

On 14/09/2025 22:13, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 12:06:24 +0200 Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org> wrote:
> 
>>>  Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt          | 3 +--
>>>  Documentation/arch/m68k/kernel-options.rst               | 9 ++-------
>>>  arch/arm/boot/dts/arm/integratorap.dts                   | 2 +-
>>>  arch/arm/boot/dts/arm/integratorcp.dts                   | 2 +-
>>>  arch/arm/boot/dts/aspeed/aspeed-bmc-facebook-cmm.dts     | 2 +-
>>>  .../boot/dts/aspeed/aspeed-bmc-facebook-galaxy100.dts    | 2 +-
>>>  .../arm/boot/dts/aspeed/aspeed-bmc-facebook-minipack.dts | 2 +-
>>>  .../arm/boot/dts/aspeed/aspeed-bmc-facebook-wedge100.dts | 2 +-
>>>  arch/arm/boot/dts/aspeed/aspeed-bmc-facebook-wedge40.dts | 2 +-
>>>  arch/arm/boot/dts/aspeed/aspeed-bmc-facebook-yamp.dts    | 2 +-
>>>  .../boot/dts/aspeed/ast2600-facebook-netbmc-common.dtsi  | 2 +-
>>
>> No, don't do that. DTS is always separate.
> 
> Why can't DTS changes be carried in a different tree?


It must be carried in a different kernel tree and it must be ALWAYS a
separate commit. Embedding it in the middle of this patchset and in the
middle of some other commit breaks these two rules.

If you asked why it cannot be carried by VFS (or by any non-SoC tree in
general), it is because DTS is completely independent hardware
description, so by keeping it on separate tree we enforce that rule of
lack of dependency between DTS and any driver or core code.

If there is a dependency here, then it would be a NAK, because there
cannot be such - it would be a breach of contract for outside users (DTS
is shared with other, non-Linux projects).


Best regards,
Krzysztof

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-15  4:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-13  0:37 [PATCH RESEND 00/62] initrd: remove classic initrd support Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:37 ` [PATCH RESEND 01/62] init: remove deprecated "load_ramdisk" command line parameter, which does nothing Askar Safin
2025-09-15 11:17   ` Christophe Leroy
2025-09-13  0:37 ` [PATCH RESEND 02/62] init: remove deprecated "prompt_ramdisk" " Askar Safin
2025-09-15 11:16   ` Christophe Leroy
2025-10-10  3:17     ` Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:37 ` [PATCH RESEND 03/62] init: sh, sparc, x86: remove unused constants RAMDISK_PROMPT_FLAG and RAMDISK_LOAD_FLAG Askar Safin
2025-09-15 11:19   ` Christophe Leroy
2025-09-13  0:37 ` [PATCH RESEND 04/62] init: x86, arm, sh, sparc: remove variable rd_image_start, which controls starting block number of initrd Askar Safin
2025-09-15 11:43   ` Christophe Leroy
2025-09-13  0:37 ` [PATCH RESEND 05/62] init: remove "ramdisk_start" command line parameter, " Askar Safin
2025-09-15 11:48   ` Christophe Leroy
2025-09-13  0:37 ` [PATCH RESEND 06/62] arm: init: remove special logic for setting brd.rd_size Askar Safin
2025-09-15 11:53   ` Christophe Leroy
2025-09-15 11:57   ` Christophe Leroy
2025-09-13  0:37 ` [PATCH RESEND 07/62] arm: init: remove ATAG_RAMDISK Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:37 ` [PATCH RESEND 08/62] arm: init: remove FLAG_RDLOAD and FLAG_RDPROMPT Askar Safin
2025-09-15 11:54   ` Christophe Leroy
2025-09-13  0:37 ` [PATCH RESEND 09/62] arm: init: document rd_start (in param_struct) as obsolete Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:37 ` [PATCH RESEND 10/62] initrd: remove initrd (initial RAM disk) support Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:37 ` [PATCH RESEND 11/62] init, efi: remove "noinitrd" command line parameter Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:37 ` [PATCH RESEND 12/62] init: remove /proc/sys/kernel/real-root-dev Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:37 ` [PATCH RESEND 13/62] ext2: remove ext2_image_size and associated code Askar Safin
2025-09-15  9:19   ` Jan Kara
2025-09-13  0:37 ` [PATCH RESEND 14/62] init: m68k, mips, powerpc, s390, sh: remove Root_RAM0 Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:37 ` [PATCH RESEND 15/62] doc: modernize Documentation/admin-guide/blockdev/ramdisk.rst Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:37 ` [PATCH RESEND 16/62] brd: remove "ramdisk_size" command line parameter Askar Safin
2025-09-15 11:48   ` Christophe Leroy
2025-09-13  0:37 ` [PATCH RESEND 17/62] doc: modernize Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.rst Askar Safin
2025-09-15 21:05   ` Rob Landley
2025-09-13  0:37 ` [PATCH RESEND 18/62] doc: modernize Documentation/driver-api/early-userspace/early_userspace_support.rst Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:37 ` [PATCH RESEND 19/62] init: remove mentions of "ramdisk=" command line parameter Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:37 ` [PATCH RESEND 20/62] doc: remove Documentation/power/swsusp-dmcrypt.rst Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:38 ` [PATCH RESEND 21/62] init: remove all mentions of root=/dev/ram* Askar Safin
2025-09-14 10:06   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-09-14 20:13     ` Andrew Morton
2025-09-15  4:41       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski [this message]
2025-10-10  2:48     ` Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:38 ` [PATCH RESEND 22/62] doc: remove obsolete mentions of pivot_root Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:38 ` [PATCH RESEND 23/62] init: rename __initramfs_{start,size} to __builtin_initramfs_{start,size} Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:38 ` [PATCH RESEND 24/62] init: remove wrong comment Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:38 ` [PATCH RESEND 25/62] init: rename phys_initrd_{start,size} to phys_external_initramfs_{start,size} Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:38 ` [PATCH RESEND 26/62] init: move phys_external_initramfs_{start,size} to init/initramfs.c Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:38 ` [PATCH RESEND 27/62] init: alpha: remove "extern unsigned long initrd_start, initrd_end" Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:38 ` [PATCH RESEND 28/62] init: alpha, arc, arm, arm64, csky, m68k, microblaze, mips, nios2, openrisc, parisc, powerpc, s390, sh, sparc, um, x86, xtensa: rename initrd_{start,end} to virt_external_initramfs_{start,end} Askar Safin
2025-09-13  5:48   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-09-13  5:59     ` Borislav Petkov
2025-10-09 11:19       ` Askar Safin
2025-09-16  3:09   ` Rob Herring
2025-10-10  4:07     ` Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:38 ` [PATCH RESEND 29/62] init: move virt_external_initramfs_{start,end} to init/initramfs.c Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:38 ` [PATCH RESEND 30/62] doc: remove documentation for block device 4 0 Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:38 ` [PATCH RESEND 31/62] init: rename initrd_below_start_ok to initramfs_below_start_ok Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:38 ` [PATCH RESEND 32/62] init: move initramfs_below_start_ok to init/initramfs.c Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:38 ` [PATCH RESEND 33/62] init: remove init/do_mounts_initrd.c Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:38 ` [PATCH RESEND 34/62] init: inline create_dev into the only caller Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:38 ` [PATCH RESEND 35/62] init: make mount_root_generic static Askar Safin
2025-09-13  0:38 ` [PATCH RESEND 36/62] init: make mount_root static Askar Safin
2025-09-13  8:58 ` [PATCH RESEND 00/62] initrd: remove classic initrd support Julian Stecklina
2025-09-14  3:43 ` [PATCH RESEND 37/62] init: remove root_mountflags from init/do_mounts.h Askar Safin
2025-09-14  3:50 ` [PATCH RESEND 38/62] init: remove most headers " Askar Safin
2025-09-14  3:51 ` [PATCH RESEND 39/62] init: make console_on_rootfs static Askar Safin
2025-09-14  3:51 ` [PATCH RESEND 40/62] init: rename free_initrd_mem to free_initramfs_mem Askar Safin
2025-09-14  3:52 ` [PATCH RESEND 41/62] init: rename reserve_initrd_mem to reserve_initramfs_mem Askar Safin
2025-09-14  3:52 ` [PATCH RESEND 42/62] init: rename <linux/initrd.h> to <linux/initramfs.h> Askar Safin
2025-09-14  3:53 ` [PATCH RESEND 43/62] setsid: inline ksys_setsid into the only caller Askar Safin
2025-09-14  3:54 ` [PATCH RESEND 44/62] doc: kernel-parameters: remove [RAM] from reserve_mem= Askar Safin
2025-09-14  3:54 ` [PATCH RESEND 45/62] doc: kernel-parameters: replace [RAM] with [INITRAMFS] Askar Safin
2025-09-14  3:55 ` [PATCH RESEND 46/62] init: edit docs for initramfs-related configs Askar Safin
2025-09-14  3:55 ` [PATCH RESEND 47/62] init: fix typo: virtul => virtual Askar Safin
2025-09-14  3:56 ` [PATCH RESEND 48/62] init: fix comment Askar Safin
2025-09-14  3:57 ` [PATCH RESEND 49/62] init: rename ramdisk_execute_command to initramfs_execute_command Askar Safin
2025-09-14  3:57 ` [PATCH RESEND 50/62] init: rename ramdisk_command_access to initramfs_command_access Askar Safin
2025-09-14  3:58 ` [PATCH RESEND 51/62] init: rename get_boot_config_from_initrd to get_boot_config_from_initramfs Askar Safin
2025-09-14  3:58 ` [PATCH RESEND 52/62] init: rename do_retain_initrd to retain_initramfs Askar Safin
2025-09-14  3:59 ` [PATCH RESEND 53/62] init: rename kexec_free_initrd to kexec_free_initramfs Askar Safin
2025-09-14  4:00 ` [PATCH RESEND 54/62] init: arm, x86: deal with some references to initrd Askar Safin
2025-09-14  4:00 ` [PATCH RESEND 55/62] init: rename CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD to CONFIG_INITRAMFS Askar Safin
2025-09-14  4:01 ` [PATCH RESEND 56/62] init: rename CONFIG_RD_GZIP to CONFIG_INITRAMFS_DECOMPRESS_GZIP Askar Safin
2025-09-14  4:01 ` [PATCH RESEND 57/62] init: rename CONFIG_RD_BZIP2 to CONFIG_INITRAMFS_DECOMPRESS_BZIP2 Askar Safin
2025-09-14  4:02 ` [PATCH RESEND 58/62] init: rename CONFIG_RD_LZMA to CONFIG_INITRAMFS_DECOMPRESS_LZMA Askar Safin
2025-09-14  4:03 ` [PATCH RESEND 59/62] init: rename CONFIG_RD_XZ to CONFIG_INITRAMFS_DECOMPRESS_XZ Askar Safin
2025-09-14  4:03 ` [PATCH RESEND 60/62] init: rename CONFIG_RD_LZO to CONFIG_INITRAMFS_DECOMPRESS_LZO Askar Safin
2025-09-14  4:04 ` [PATCH RESEND 61/62] init: rename CONFIG_RD_LZ4 to CONFIG_INITRAMFS_DECOMPRESS_LZ4 Askar Safin
2025-09-14  4:04 ` [PATCH RESEND 62/62] init: rename CONFIG_RD_ZSTD to CONFIG_INITRAMFS_DECOMPRESS_ZSTD Askar Safin
2025-09-14  4:19 ` [PATCH RESEND 00/62] initrd: remove classic initrd support Askar Safin
2025-09-14 10:08 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-09-15 13:34 ` Christian Brauner
2025-09-16  1:04   ` Askar Safin
2025-09-16 17:08 ` Jessica Clarke
2025-10-10  4:09   ` Askar Safin
2025-09-18 15:28 ` Nicolas Schichan
2025-09-18 19:58   ` Askar Safin
2025-09-19 15:24     ` Nicolas Schichan
2025-09-20  3:54       ` Askar Safin
2025-09-22 14:28         ` Nicolas Schichan
2025-09-25 13:10           ` [PATCH-RFC] init: simplify initrd code (was Re: [PATCH RESEND 00/62] initrd: remove classic initrd support) nschichan
2025-09-29  9:13             ` David Disseldorp
2025-10-10  4:57             ` Askar Safin
2025-10-09  8:42           ` [PATCH RESEND 00/62] initrd: remove classic initrd support Askar Safin
2025-09-23 12:04 ` Christophe Leroy
2025-09-24 16:17   ` Alexander Patrakov
2025-09-24 19:20     ` Rob Landley

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