From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Adrian Bunk Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:41:37 +0000 Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal Message-Id: <20060104144137.GM3831@stusta.de> List-Id: References: <20060103215654.GH3831@stusta.de> <20060103221314.GB23175@irc.pl> <20060103231009.GI3831@stusta.de> <20060104000344.GJ3831@stusta.de> <20060104010123.GK3831@stusta.de> <1136364634.22598.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060104132139.GA5753@athame.dynamicro.on.ca> In-Reply-To: <20060104132139.GA5753@athame.dynamicro.on.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 08:21:39AM -0500, Greg Louis wrote: > On 20060104 (Wed) at 0850:34 +0000, Alan Cox wrote: > > On Mer, 2006-01-04 at 03:51 +0100, Tomasz K??oczko wrote: > > > Be compliant with OSS specyfication allow save many time on applications > > > development level by consume (in good sense) time spend on this > > > applications by *BSD, Solaris and other systems developers (even on not > > > open source applications). > > > > Both Solaris and FreeBSD contain Linux emulation code so in that sense > > they admitted 'defeat' long ago. > > > > > valuable functionalities in usable/simpler form for joe-like users .. > > > remember: sound support in Linux isn't for data centers/big-ass-machines :) > > > > And distributions nowdays ship with ALSA by default, which is giving > > users far better audio timing behaviour, mixing they want, digital and > > analogue 5.1 outputs. OSS really isn't ideal for serious "end user" > > applications like video playback > > > Ok, so I'm not serious :) just wanna do fairly standard audio things. > > - ALSA doesn't (AFAIK, haven't checked for a few months) support my old > Audiotrix sound card -- bye, machine 1 Noone wants to remove the drivers for hardware not supported by ALSA from OSS. After 4 years of ALSA in the kernel we are starting to remove the OSS drivers from the kernel where ALSA drives the same hardware. We might end up with a handful of OSS drivers for some ancient soundcards without ALSA support and keep them similar to the old CD-ROM drivers under drivers/cdrom/ (or someone might write ALSA drivers for such hardware), but we don't need two drivers for the same hardware. > - ALSA can't be persuaded (not by me, anyway) to drive my VIA > ac97_codec onboard sound hardware -- everything works fine except > unmuting ;) -- bye, machine 2 Can you give me a bug number in the ALSA bug tracking system for this issue to track it? > - ALSA does suport my i810_audio ac97_codec laptop, but so does OSS, > equally well (for my unsophisticated needs) and with a far less > elephantine footprint in memory. -- strike 3, ALSA out. >... How much RAM does your system have that this is really an issue for you? Sure, it would be possible to make ALSA a bit slimmer, but if you are running something like KDE or Mozilla or OpenOffice on your Laptop the size of the kernel shouldn't be a real issue. cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed