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From: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
To: James Calligeros <jcalligeros99@gmail.com>
Cc: Liam Girdwood <lgirdwood@gmail.com>,
	Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk+dt@kernel.org>,
	Conor Dooley <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
	Shawn Guo <shawnguo@kernel.org>,
	Sascha Hauer <s.hauer@pengutronix.de>,
	Pengutronix Kernel Team <kernel@pengutronix.de>,
	Fabio Estevam <festevam@gmail.com>,
	Kuninori Morimoto <kuninori.morimoto.gx@renesas.com>,
	Shengjiu Wang <shengjiu.wang@nxp.com>,
	Jaroslav Kysela <perex@perex.cz>, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.com>,
	Shenghao Ding <shenghao-ding@ti.com>, Kevin Lu <kevin-lu@ti.com>,
	Baojun Xu <baojun.xu@ti.com>,
	linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	imx@lists.linux.dev, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, asahi@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/7] ASoC: soc-dai: define TDM idle behaviour modes
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2025 11:22:43 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aTjZc3mgu7CQOkDU@sirena.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251209-tdm-idle-slots-v1-4-38dabf6bc01e@gmail.com>

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On Tue, Dec 09, 2025 at 07:31:17PM +1000, James Calligeros wrote:

> Imagine for example two codecs sharing a bus. When one codec is
> transmitting, the other must ensure that it is holding its side
> to 0, or data from the transmitting codec will be corrupted. We
> can trust the "idle" codec to simply do this itself, however
> this is undefined behaviour. Some devices may leave the line
> floating, others still may pull the line high. We need a way to
> control this behaviour.

I'm finding this explanation quite confusing - you appear to be
describing the situation where two devices simultaneously drive the same
signal which would be extremely unusual and I can't see how it would
work electrically.

> Thus, we define five possible bus-keeping modes that a device can
> be in: NONE (UB/as initialised), OFF (explicitly disabled), ZERO
> (actively transmit a 0), PULLDOWN, and HIZ (floating).

What is "explicitly disabled" in ths context?  Why aren't pull up or
drive high options?

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-10  2:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-09  9:31 [PATCH 0/7] ASoC: basic support for configuring bus keepers James Calligeros
2025-12-09  9:31 ` [PATCH 1/7] ASoC: dt-bindings: convert tdm-slot to YAML James Calligeros
2025-12-09 10:38   ` Rob Herring (Arm)
2025-12-09  9:31 ` [PATCH 2/7] ASoC: dt-bindings: update tdm-slot.txt references to tdm-slot.yaml James Calligeros
2025-12-09 16:11   ` Frank Li
2025-12-09 19:13   ` Rob Herring
2025-12-09  9:31 ` [PATCH 3/7] ASoC: dt-bindings: add TDM slot idle mode properties James Calligeros
2025-12-09  9:31 ` [PATCH 4/7] ASoC: soc-dai: define TDM idle behaviour modes James Calligeros
2025-12-10  2:22   ` Mark Brown [this message]
2025-12-10  3:57     ` James Calligeros
2025-12-11  1:48       ` Mark Brown
2025-12-09  9:31 ` [PATCH 5/7] ASoC: soc-dai: add common operation to set TDM idle mode James Calligeros
2025-12-09  9:31 ` [PATCH 6/7] ASoC: tas2764: expose SDOUT bus keeper via set_tdm_idle operation James Calligeros
2025-12-09  9:31 ` [PATCH 7/7] ASoC: tas2770: expose SDOUT bus keeper via set_tdm_idle James Calligeros
2025-12-10  2:43 ` [PATCH 0/7] ASoC: basic support for configuring bus keepers Mark Brown

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