linux-sparse.vger.kernel.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Al Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>
To: Josh Triplett <josh@freedesktop.org>
Cc: linux-sparse@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: fun with ?:
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 23:46:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070522224619.GI4095@ftp.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4653633B.3000000@freedesktop.org>

On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 02:40:11PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > What's going on here is pretty simple: there are two degenerate cases of
> > conditional operator: pointer vs. null pointer constant and pointer vs.
> > possibly qualified pointer to void.  Look at these cases:
> > 	n ? p : NULL => should be the same type as p
> > 	n ? p : v => clearly const void * - pointer to void with union of
> > qualifiers; in this case we obviously lose any information about the type
> > of object being pointed to.
> 
> I didn't actually know about the special case for a null pointer constant.

Rationale is pretty simple: normally if you have void * in the mix, you
_can't_ expect more type information from the result; i.e. you are not
promised that result of ?: will point to int.  However, null pointer constant
is a chameleon - it accepts whatever pointer type you might need in given
context.  So in that case you do _not_ lose the type information.

> In particular:
> > n ? p : (void *)NULL		int *	=>	void *
> Shouldn't this have type int * just like n ? p : NULL ?

No.  It's "void * and I _mean_ it".  Well... actually (void *)(void *)0 if
you want to be 100% portable and protect yourself against cretinous systems
that define NULL to 0.

Again, null pointer constant is not the same thing as null pointer to void.

BTW, there's another painful area: what do we do to somebody who uses
(void *)(69 + 1 - 70) as null pointer constant?  Currenly sparse doesn't
recognize it as such; C standard does.  IMO the right thing to do is
to add a flag that would switch to full-blown standard rules in that area
("integer constant expression returning 0" instead of basically "0 in some
layers of ()") and flame to the crisp any wanker caught at actually doing
that.  Any suggestions re sufficiently violent warning messages?

  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-22 22:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-19  2:52 fun with ?: Al Viro
2007-05-22 21:40 ` Josh Triplett
2007-05-22 22:46   ` Al Viro [this message]
2007-05-22 23:24     ` Josh Triplett
2007-05-23  0:02       ` Al Viro
2007-05-23  0:25         ` Al Viro
2007-05-23  1:05           ` Josh Triplett
2007-05-23  4:53           ` Al Viro
2007-05-23 12:26             ` Morten Welinder
2007-05-23  1:03         ` Josh Triplett
2007-06-03  1:05           ` Al Viro
2007-05-23 14:25         ` Neil Booth
2007-05-23 14:32           ` Al Viro
2007-05-23 14:47             ` Neil Booth
2007-05-23 15:32               ` Al Viro
2007-05-23 23:01                 ` Neil Booth
2007-05-24  0:10                   ` Derek M Jones
2007-05-24  0:14                   ` Al Viro
2007-05-23 21:16             ` Derek M Jones
2007-05-23 21:59               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-23 23:29                 ` Derek M Jones
2007-05-24  0:02                   ` Al Viro
2007-05-24  0:29                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-24  1:36               ` Brett Nash

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20070522224619.GI4095@ftp.linux.org.uk \
    --to=viro@ftp.linux.org.uk \
    --cc=josh@freedesktop.org \
    --cc=linux-sparse@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=torvalds@linux-foundation.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).