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From: Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.ws>
To: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: linux-sparse@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC v1] copy_{to,from}_user(): only inline when !__CHECKER__
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2018 14:56:58 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181209215658.GG30796@cisco> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181209214600.GC2217@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Sun, Dec 09, 2018 at 09:46:00PM +0000, Al Viro wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 09, 2018 at 02:25:23PM -0700, Tycho Andersen wrote:
> 
> > > Which sparse checks do not trigger?  Explain, please - as it is, I had been
> > > unable to guess what could "specifically looks for a call instruction" refer
> > > to.
> > 
> > In sparse.c there's check_call_instruction(), which is triggered when
> > there's an instruction of OP_CALL type in the basic block. This simply
> > compares against the name of the call target to determine whether or
> > not to call check_ctu().
> 
> Oh, that Linus' experiment with "look for huge constant size argument
> to memcpy() et.al."?  Frankly, it's not only the wrong place to put the
> checks, but breaking inlining loses the _real_ "known constant size"
> checks in there.
> 
> I don't know if the check_ctu thing has ever caught a bug...  What kind of
> checks do you want to add?  Because this place is almost certainly wrong
> for anything useful...

Yeah, agreed that the static size check doesn't seem particularly
useful. I linked to these in the other mail, but the top two patches
here are what I was playing with:

https://github.com/tych0/sparse/commits/check-as-infoleaks

> If anything, I would suggest simulating this behaviour with something like
> 	if (__builtin_constant_p(size) && size > something)
> 		/* something that would trigger a warning */
> _inside_ copy_from_user()/copy_to_user() and to hell with name-recognizing
> magic...

Hmm. I wonder if we couldn't do some size checking with the argument
like this instead. Thanks for the idea, I'll play around with it.

Tycho

      reply	other threads:[~2018-12-09 21:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-12-09 20:44 [RFC v1] copy_{to,from}_user(): only inline when !__CHECKER__ Tycho Andersen
2018-12-09 21:02 ` Al Viro
2018-12-09 21:25   ` Tycho Andersen
2018-12-09 21:39     ` Luc Van Oostenryck
2018-12-09 21:53       ` Tycho Andersen
2018-12-09 21:56       ` Al Viro
2018-12-09 22:08         ` Luc Van Oostenryck
2018-12-09 21:46     ` Al Viro
2018-12-09 21:56       ` Tycho Andersen [this message]

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