From: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
x86@kernel.org, platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org,
dave.hansen@intel.com, sean.j.christopherson@intel.com,
nhorman@redhat.com, npmccallum@redhat.com,
Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
David Woodhouse <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
"open list:INTEL SGX" <intel-sgx-kernel-dev@lists.01.org>,
Janakarajan Natarajan <Janakarajan.Natarajan@amd.com>,
"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wi>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 00/13] Intel SGX1 support
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2018 23:47:17 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181210074717.GA9880@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181209200600.GA11608@amd>
On Sun, Dec 09, 2018 at 09:06:00PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
...
> > > > The default permissions for the device are 600.
> > >
> > > Good. This does not belong to non-root.
> >
> > There are entirely legitimate use cases for using this as an
> > unprivileged user. However, that'll be up to system and distribution
> > policy, which can evolve over time, and it makes sense for the *initial*
> > kernel permission to start out root-only and then adjust permissions via
> > udev.
>
> Agreed.
>
> > Building a software certificate store. Hardening key-agent software like
> > ssh-agent or gpg-agent. Building a challenge-response authentication
> > system. Providing more assurance that your server infrastructure is
> > uncompromised. Offloading computation to a system without having to
> > fully trust that system.
>
> I think you can do the crypto stuff... as crypto already verifies the
> results. But I don't think you can do the computation offload.
You can, as long as you can do attestation.
> > As one of many possibilities, imagine a distcc that didn't have to trust
> > the compile nodes. The compile nodes could fail to return results at
> > all, but they couldn't alter the results.
>
> distcc on untrusted nodes ... oh yes, that would be great.
>
> Except that you can't do it, right? :-).
>
> First, AFAICT it would be quite hard to get gcc to run under SGX. But
> maybe you have spare month or three and can do it.
Assuming you don't need to #include files, gcc seems quite simple to run
in an enclave: data in, computation inside, data out.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-12-10 7:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-06-08 17:09 [PATCH v11 00/13] Intel SGX1 support Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 01/13] compiler.h, kasan: add __SANITIZE_ADDRESS__ check for __no_kasan_or_inline Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-12 10:50 ` [PATCH v11 00/13] Intel SGX1 support Pavel Machek
2018-06-19 14:59 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-19 20:04 ` Pavel Machek
2018-06-19 20:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-19 21:48 ` Josh Triplett
2018-12-09 20:06 ` Pavel Machek
2018-12-10 7:47 ` Josh Triplett [this message]
2018-12-10 8:27 ` Pavel Machek
2018-12-10 23:12 ` Josh Triplett
2018-12-11 18:10 ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-11 18:31 ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-19 20:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-21 12:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-06-25 9:44 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
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