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From: Josh Triplett <josh@freedesktop.org>
To: Al Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>
Cc: linux-sparse@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: fun with ?:
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:05:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46539363.3010202@freedesktop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070523002506.GK4095@ftp.linux.org.uk>

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Al Viro wrote:
> On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 01:02:34AM +0100, Al Viro wrote:
>> It would be nicer if C had __null__ as the *only* null pointer constant
>> (with flexible type) and could refuse to accept anything else.  Too late
>> for that, unfortunately.  As for conversions - see above.
> 
> To clarify: all mess with null pointer constants comes from lack of
> explicit token and need to avoid massive breakage of old programs.  That's
> what it's all about - compiler recognizing some subexpressions as
> representations of that missing token and trying to do that in a way that
> would break as little as possible of existing C code.  It's an old story -
> decisions had to be made in 80s and now we are stuck with them.
> 
> IOW, (void *)0 in contexts that allow null pointer constant is *not* a
> 0 cast to pointer to void; it's a compiler-recognized kludge for __null__.
> And it's not a pointer to void.  It can become a pointer to any type,
> including void.  If converted to a pointer type it gives the same value
> you get if you convert 0 to that type ("null pointer to type").  But
> unlike null pointer to type it retains full flexibility.
> 
> NULL is required to expand to null pointer constant and that's one of
> the reasons why sane code should be using it instead of explicitly spelled
> variants.  The next best thing to actually having __null__ in the language...

That makes perfect sense now.  Thanks for the explanation.

- Josh Triplett



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  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-23  1:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-19  2:52 fun with ?: Al Viro
2007-05-22 21:40 ` Josh Triplett
2007-05-22 22:46   ` Al Viro
2007-05-22 23:24     ` Josh Triplett
2007-05-23  0:02       ` Al Viro
2007-05-23  0:25         ` Al Viro
2007-05-23  1:05           ` Josh Triplett [this message]
2007-05-23  4:53           ` Al Viro
2007-05-23 12:26             ` Morten Welinder
2007-05-23  1:03         ` Josh Triplett
2007-06-03  1:05           ` Al Viro
2007-05-23 14:25         ` Neil Booth
2007-05-23 14:32           ` Al Viro
2007-05-23 14:47             ` Neil Booth
2007-05-23 15:32               ` Al Viro
2007-05-23 23:01                 ` Neil Booth
2007-05-24  0:10                   ` Derek M Jones
2007-05-24  0:14                   ` Al Viro
2007-05-23 21:16             ` Derek M Jones
2007-05-23 21:59               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-23 23:29                 ` Derek M Jones
2007-05-24  0:02                   ` Al Viro
2007-05-24  0:29                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-24  1:36               ` Brett Nash

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