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From: Derek M Jones <derek@knosof.co.uk>
To: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Hannes Eder <hannes@hanneseder.net>,
	Christopher Li <sparse@chrisli.org>,
	linux-sparse@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] test-suite: new preprocessor test case
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:24:06 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49C29BD6.7050005@knosof.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090319182628.GB28946@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

Al,

> It doesn't.  6.10.3p11: "If there are sequences of preprocessing tokens
> within the list of arguments that would otherwise act as preprocessing
> directives, the behavior is undefined."
> 
> You are asking for identical nasal demons from two implementations, when
> it's not even promised that the same kind will fly on two invocations of
> the same implementation...

So what you are saying is that this is a bug in the header.
This is the approach I would favor.

> Seriously, this is undefined behaviour *and* it's extermely hard to come
> up with self-consistent semantics for it.  Standard doesn't even try and
> implementations are doing whatever's more convenient at the moment.  Try
> to think of it and you'll come up with really ugly corner cases very fast.

Unless gcc comes up with consistent behavior every time I would not
expect this usage to hang around very long in the header.

> What we probably ought to do is a warning when such stuff happens.

You mean a more easy to understand message.

-- 
Derek M. Jones                         tel: +44 (0) 1252 520 667
Knowledge Software Ltd                 mailto:derek@knosof.co.uk
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      parent reply	other threads:[~2009-03-19 19:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-19 17:56 [PATCH] test-suite: new preprocessor test case Hannes Eder
2009-03-19 18:26 ` Al Viro
2009-03-19 18:51   ` Hannes Eder
2009-03-19 19:07     ` Nasal demons in preprocessor use (Re: [PATCH] test-suite: new preprocessor test case) Al Viro
2009-03-19 19:27       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-19 19:39         ` Al Viro
2009-03-19 20:20         ` Vegard Nossum
2009-03-19 22:07           ` Stephen Rothwell
2009-03-20 18:08           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-20 19:04             ` Al Viro
2009-03-20 19:14               ` Al Viro
2009-03-20 23:16                 ` Vegard Nossum
2009-03-20 23:44                   ` Al Viro
2009-03-21  8:34                 ` Johannes Berg
2009-03-27  3:13                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-19 19:24   ` Derek M Jones [this message]

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