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From: Thomas Garnier <thgarnie@google.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: "Brian Gerst" <brgerst@gmail.com>,
	"Herbert Xu" <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
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	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
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	"Christian Borntraeger" <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"Len Brown" <len.brown@intel.com>, "Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	"Tejun Heo" <tj@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 16/22] x86/percpu: Adapt percpu for PIE support
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 07:26:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJcbSZHuOhMHW6OTyt7-vZkPLS3XRQ48gpkF-TyohXpDW+825w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <25a2974a-fbb4-ea4b-d090-582d6d0de7fd@zytor.com>

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 4:33 PM, H. Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com> wrote:
> On 07/19/17 11:26, Thomas Garnier wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 6:33 PM, Thomas Garnier <thgarnie@google.com> wrote:
>>>> Perpcu uses a clever design where the .percu ELF section has a virtual
>>>> address of zero and the relocation code avoid relocating specific
>>>> symbols. It makes the code simple and easily adaptable with or without
>>>> SMP support.
>>>>
>>>> This design is incompatible with PIE because generated code always try to
>>>> access the zero virtual address relative to the default mapping address.
>>>> It becomes impossible when KASLR is configured to go below -2G. This
>>>> patch solves this problem by removing the zero mapping and adapting the GS
>>>> base to be relative to the expected address. These changes are done only
>>>> when PIE is enabled. The original implementation is kept as-is
>>>> by default.
>>>
>>> The reason the per-cpu section is zero-based on x86-64 is to
>>> workaround GCC hardcoding the stack protector canary at %gs:40.  So
>>> this patch is incompatible with CONFIG_STACK_PROTECTOR.
>>
>> Ok, that make sense. I don't want this feature to not work with
>> CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR*. One way to fix that would be adding a GDT
>> entry for gs so gs:40 points to the correct memory address and
>> gs:[rip+XX] works correctly through the MSR.
>
> What are you talking about?  A GDT entry and the MSR do the same thing,
> except that a GDT entry is limited to an offset of 0-0xffffffff (which
> doesn't work for us, obviously.)
>

A GDT entry would allow gs:0x40 to be valid while all gs:[rip+XX]
addresses uses the MSR.

I didn't tested it but that was used on the RFG mitigation [1]. The fs
segment register was used for both thread storage and shadow stack.

[1] http://xlab.tencent.com/en/2016/11/02/return-flow-guard/

>> Given the separate
>> discussion on mcmodel, I am going first to check if we can move from
>> PIE to PIC with a mcmodel=small or medium that would remove the percpu
>> change requirement. I tried before without success but I understand
>> better percpu and other components so maybe I can make it work.
>
>>> This is silly.  The right thing is for PIE is to be explicitly absolute,
>>> without (%rip).  The use of (%rip) memory references for percpu is just
>>> an optimization.
>>
>> I agree that it is odd but that's how the compiler generates code. I
>> will re-explore PIC options with mcmodel=small or medium, as mentioned
>> on other threads.
>
> Why should the way compiler generates code affect the way we do things
> in assembly?
>
> That being said, the compiler now has support for generating this kind
> of code explicitly via the __seg_gs pointer modifier.  That should let
> us drop the __percpu_prefix and just use variables directly.  I suspect
> we want to declare percpu variables as "volatile __seg_gs" to account
> for the possibility of CPU switches.
>
> Older compilers won't be able to work with this, of course, but I think
> that it is acceptable for those older compilers to not be able to
> support PIE.
>
>         -hpa
>



-- 
Thomas

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-07-20 14:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-18 22:33 x86: PIE support and option to extend KASLR randomization Thomas Garnier
2017-07-18 22:33 ` [RFC 01/22] x86/crypto: Adapt assembly for PIE support Thomas Garnier
2017-07-18 22:33 ` [RFC 02/22] x86: Use symbol name on bug table " Thomas Garnier
2017-07-18 22:33 ` [RFC 03/22] x86: Use symbol name in jump " Thomas Garnier
2017-07-18 22:33 ` [RFC 04/22] x86: Add macro to get symbol address " Thomas Garnier
2017-07-18 22:33 ` [RFC 05/22] xen: Adapt assembly " Thomas Garnier
2017-07-18 22:33 ` [RFC 06/22] kvm: " Thomas Garnier
2017-07-19  2:49   ` Brian Gerst
2017-07-19 15:40     ` Thomas Garnier
2017-07-19 22:27       ` H. Peter Anvin
2017-07-19 22:44         ` Thomas Garnier
2017-07-19 22:58         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-07-19 23:47           ` H. Peter Anvin
2017-07-18 22:33 ` [RFC 07/22] x86: relocate_kernel - " Thomas Garnier
2017-07-19 22:58   ` H. Peter Anvin
2017-07-19 23:23     ` Thomas Garnier
2017-07-18 22:33 ` [RFC 08/22] x86/entry/64: " Thomas Garnier
2017-07-18 22:33 ` [RFC 09/22] x86: pm-trace - " Thomas Garnier
2017-07-18 22:33 ` [RFC 10/22] x86/CPU: " Thomas Garnier
2017-07-18 22:33 ` [RFC 11/22] x86/acpi: " Thomas Garnier
2017-07-18 22:33 ` [RFC 12/22] x86/boot/64: " Thomas Garnier
2017-07-18 22:33 ` [RFC 13/22] x86/power/64: " Thomas Garnier
2017-07-19 18:41   ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-18 22:33 ` [RFC 14/22] x86/paravirt: " Thomas Garnier
2017-07-18 22:33 ` [RFC 15/22] x86/boot/64: Use _text in a global " Thomas Garnier
2017-07-18 22:33 ` [RFC 16/22] x86/percpu: Adapt percpu " Thomas Garnier
2017-07-19  3:08   ` Brian Gerst
2017-07-19 18:26     ` Thomas Garnier
2017-07-19 23:33       ` H. Peter Anvin
2017-07-20  2:21         ` H. Peter Anvin
2017-07-20  3:03           ` H. Peter Anvin
2017-07-20 14:26         ` Thomas Garnier [this message]
2017-08-02 16:42           ` Thomas Garnier
2017-08-02 16:56             ` Kees Cook
2017-08-02 18:05               ` Thomas Garnier
2017-07-18 22:33 ` [RFC 17/22] compiler: Option to default to hidden symbols Thomas Garnier
2017-07-18 22:33 ` [RFC 18/22] x86/relocs: Handle DYN relocations for PIE support Thomas Garnier
2017-07-18 22:33 ` [RFC 19/22] x86/pie: Add option to build the kernel as PIE for x86_64 Thomas Garnier
2017-07-18 22:33 ` [RFC 20/22] x86/relocs: Add option to generate 64-bit relocations Thomas Garnier
2017-07-19 22:33   ` H. Peter Anvin
2017-07-19 22:47     ` Thomas Garnier
2017-07-19 23:08       ` H. Peter Anvin
2017-07-19 23:25         ` Thomas Garnier
2017-07-19 23:45           ` H. Peter Anvin
2017-07-18 22:33 ` [RFC 21/22] x86/module: Add support for mcmodel large and PLTs Thomas Garnier
2017-07-19  1:35   ` H. Peter Anvin
2017-07-19  3:59     ` Brian Gerst
2017-07-19 15:58       ` Thomas Garnier
2017-07-19 17:34         ` Brian Gerst
2017-07-24 16:32           ` Thomas Garnier
2017-07-18 22:33 ` [RFC 22/22] x86/kaslr: Add option to extend KASLR range from 1GB to 3GB Thomas Garnier
2017-07-19 12:10   ` Baoquan He
2017-07-19 13:49     ` Baoquan He
2017-07-19 14:08 ` x86: PIE support and option to extend KASLR randomization Christopher Lameter
2017-07-19 19:21   ` Kees Cook

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