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From: Marco Elver <elver@google.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 06/35] cleanup: Basic compatibility with context analysis
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2025 11:15:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANpmjNP=s33L6LgYWHygEuLtWTq-s2n4yFDvvGcF3HjbGH+hqw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251212094352.GL3911114@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 at 10:43, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
[..]
> > Correct. We're trading false negatives over false positives at this
> > point, just to get things to compile cleanly.
>
> Right, and this all 'works' right up to the point someone sticks a
> must_not_hold somewhere.
>
> > > > Better support for Linux's scoped guard design could be added in
> > > > future if deemed critical.
> > >
> > > I would think so, per the above I don't think this is 'right'.
> >
> > It's not sound, but we'll avoid false positives for the time being.
> > Maybe we can wrangle the jigsaw of macros to let it correctly acquire
> > and then release (via a 2nd cleanup function), it might be as simple
> > as marking the 'constructor' with the right __acquires(..), and then
> > have a 2nd __attribute__((cleanup)) variable that just does a no-op
> > release via __release(..) so we get the already supported pattern
> > above.
>
> Right, like I mentioned in my previous email; it would be lovely if at
> the very least __always_inline would get a *very* early pass such that
> the above could be resolved without inter-procedural bits. I really
> don't consider an __always_inline as another procedure.
>
> Because as I already noted yesterday, cleanup is now all
> __always_inline, and as such *should* all end up in the one function.
>
> But yes, if we can get a magical mash-up of __cleanup and __release (let
> it be knows as __release_on_cleanup ?) that might also work I suppose.
> But I vastly prefer __always_inline actually 'working' ;-)

The truth is that __always_inline working in this way is currently
infeasible. Clang and LLVM's architecture simply disallow this today:
the semantic analysis that -Wthread-safety does happens over the AST,
whereas always_inline is processed by early passes in the middle-end
already within LLVM's pipeline, well after semantic analysis. There's
a complexity budget limit for semantic analysis (type checking,
warnings, assorted other errors), and path-sensitive &
intra-procedural analysis over the plain AST is outside that budget.
Which is why tools like clang-analyzer exist (symbolic execution),
where it's possible to afford that complexity since that's not
something that runs for a normal compile.

I think I've pushed the current version of Clang's -Wthread-safety
already far beyond what folks were thinking is possible (a variant of
alias analysis), but even my healthy disregard for the impossible
tells me that making path-sensitive intra-procedural analysis even if
just for __always_inline functions is quite possibly a fool's errand.

So either we get it to work with what we have, or give up.

Thanks,
-- Marco

  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-12 10:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-20 14:49 [PATCH v4 00/35] Compiler-Based Context- and Locking-Analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 14:49 ` [PATCH v4 01/35] compiler_types: Move lock checking attributes to compiler-context-analysis.h Marco Elver
2025-11-20 14:49 ` [PATCH v4 02/35] compiler-context-analysis: Add infrastructure for Context Analysis with Clang Marco Elver
2025-11-20 18:14   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-11-20 23:51     ` Marco Elver
2025-12-11 11:44   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-11 12:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-11 13:12     ` Marco Elver
2025-12-12  9:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-12 10:37         ` Marco Elver
2025-11-20 14:49 ` [PATCH v4 03/35] compiler-context-analysis: Add test stub Marco Elver
2025-11-20 14:49 ` [PATCH v4 04/35] Documentation: Add documentation for Compiler-Based Context Analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 14:49 ` [PATCH v4 05/35] checkpatch: Warn about context_unsafe() without comment Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09 ` [PATCH v4 06/35] cleanup: Basic compatibility with context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 07/35] lockdep: Annotate lockdep assertions for " Marco Elver
2025-12-11 11:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-11 13:24       ` Marco Elver
2025-12-12  9:59         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-12 10:48           ` Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 08/35] locking/rwlock, spinlock: Support Clang's " Marco Elver
2025-12-11 11:49     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 09/35] compiler-context-analysis: Change __cond_acquires to take return value Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 10/35] locking/mutex: Support Clang's context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 11/35] locking/seqlock: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 12/35] bit_spinlock: Include missing <asm/processor.h> Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 13/35] bit_spinlock: Support Clang's context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 14/35] rcu: " Marco Elver
2025-12-10 19:30     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-10 21:50       ` Marco Elver
2025-12-10 22:49         ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 15/35] srcu: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 16/35] kref: Add context-analysis annotations Marco Elver
2025-12-11 12:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-11 13:54       ` Marco Elver
2025-12-12  9:33         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 17/35] locking/rwsem: Support Clang's context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 18/35] locking/local_lock: Include missing headers Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 19/35] locking/local_lock: Support Clang's context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 20/35] locking/ww_mutex: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 21/35] debugfs: Make debugfs_cancellation a context guard struct Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 22/35] compiler-context-analysis: Remove Sparse support Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 23/35] compiler-context-analysis: Remove __cond_lock() function-like helper Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 24/35] compiler-context-analysis: Introduce header suppressions Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 25/35] compiler: Let data_race() imply disabled context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 26/35] MAINTAINERS: Add entry for Context Analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 27/35] kfence: Enable context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 28/35] kcov: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 29/35] kcsan: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 30/35] stackdepot: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 31/35] rhashtable: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 32/35] printk: Move locking annotation to printk.c Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 33/35] security/tomoyo: Enable context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 34/35] crypto: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:10   ` [PATCH v4 35/35] sched: Enable context analysis for core.c and fair.c Marco Elver
2025-12-11  9:55   ` [PATCH v4 06/35] cleanup: Basic compatibility with context analysis Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-11 11:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-11 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-11 13:19     ` Marco Elver
2025-12-12  9:43       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-12 10:15         ` Marco Elver [this message]
2025-12-12 11:09           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 16:18 ` [PATCH v4 00/35] Compiler-Based Context- and Locking-Analysis Marco Elver
2025-12-10 16:37   ` Peter Zijlstra

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