From: Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@linaro.org>
To: Vincent Mailhol <mailhol@kernel.org>
Cc: Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>,
Nicolas Schier <nsc@kernel.org>,
Nick Desaulniers <nick.desaulniers+lkml@gmail.com>,
Bill Wendling <morbo@google.com>,
Justin Stitt <justinstitt@google.com>,
Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org>,
Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
David Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>, Simona Vetter <simona@ffwll.ch>,
Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>, David Sterba <dsterba@suse.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org, linux-sparse@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, llvm@lists.linux.dev,
dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] kbuild: remove gcc's -Wtype-limits
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2025 22:36:04 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aURXpAwm-ITVlHMl@stanley.mountain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251218-remove_wtype-limits-v1-1-735417536787@kernel.org>
On Thu, Dec 18, 2025 at 07:50:01PM +0100, Vincent Mailhol wrote:
> W=2 builds are heavily polluted by the -Wtype-limits warning.
>
> Here are some W=12 statistics on Linux v6.19-rc1 for an x86_64
> defconfig (with just CONFIG_WERROR set to "n") using gcc 14.3.1:
>
> Warning name count percent
> -------------------------------------------------
> -Wlogical-op 2 0.00 %
> -Wmaybe-uninitialized 138 0.20 %
> -Wunused-macros 869 1.24 %
> -Wmissing-field-initializers 1418 2.02 %
> -Wshadow 2234 3.19 %
> -Wtype-limits 65378 93.35 %
> -------------------------------------------------
> Total 70039 100.00 %
>
> As we can see, -Wtype-limits represents the vast majority of all
> warnings. The reason behind this is that these warnings appear in
> some common header files, meaning that some unique warnings are
> repeated tens of thousands of times (once per header inclusion).
>
> Add to this the fact that each warning is coupled with a dozen lines
> detailing some macro expansion. The end result is that the W=2 output
> is just too bloated and painful to use.
>
> Three years ago, I proposed in [1] modifying one such header to
> silence that noise. Because the code was not faulty, Linus rejected
> the idea and instead suggested simply removing that warning.
>
> At that time, I could not bring myself to send such a patch because,
> despite its problems, -Wtype-limits would still catch the below bug:
>
> unsigned int ret;
>
> ret = check();
> if (ret < 0)
> error();
>
> Meanwhile, based on another suggestion from Linus, I added a new check
> to sparse [2] that would catch the above bug without the useless spam.
>
> With this, remove gcc's -Wtype-limits. People who still want to catch
> incorrect comparisons between unsigned integers and zero can now use
> sparse instead.
>
> On a side note, clang also has a -Wtype-limits warning but:
>
> * it is not enabled in the kernel at the moment because, contrary to
> gcc, clang did not include it under -Wextra.
>
> * it does not warn if the code results from a macro expansion. So,
> if activated, it would not cause as much spam as gcc does.
>
> * -Wtype-limits is split into four sub-warnings [3] meaning that if
> it were to be activated, we could select which one to keep.
>
Sounds good. I like your Sparse check.
Maybe we should enable the Sparse checking as well because it sounds
like they are doing a lot of things right. I think Smatch catches the
same bugs that Clang would but it would be good to have multiple
implementations. The -Wtautological-unsigned-enum-zero-compare trips
people up because they aren't necessarily expecting enums to be
unsigned.
regards,
dan carpenter
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-12-18 19:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-12-18 18:50 [PATCH 0/2] kbuild: remove gcc's -Wtype-limits Vincent Mailhol
2025-12-18 18:50 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Vincent Mailhol
2025-12-18 19:36 ` Dan Carpenter [this message]
2025-12-18 22:31 ` Vincent Mailhol
2025-12-19 6:56 ` Dan Carpenter
2025-12-19 22:21 ` Vincent Mailhol
2025-12-18 18:50 ` [PATCH 2/2] kbuild: cleanup local -Wno-type-limits exceptions Vincent Mailhol
2025-12-18 20:24 ` David Sterba
2025-12-18 20:26 ` [PATCH 0/2] kbuild: remove gcc's -Wtype-limits David Laight
2025-12-18 20:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-12-18 22:06 ` David Laight
2025-12-18 22:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-12-19 7:08 ` Dan Carpenter
2025-12-19 7:33 ` Nicolas Schier
2025-12-19 22:06 ` Vincent Mailhol
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