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From: Maxime Ripard <maxime.ripard-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
To: Greg Kroah-Hartman
	<gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Mark Brown <broonie-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Hans de Goede <hdegoede-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-spi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Martin Sperl <kernel-TqfNSX0MhmxHKSADF0wUEw@public.gmane.org>,
	Michal Suchanek
	<hramrach-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] spi: Force the registration of the spidev devices
Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 19:50:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150513175034.GC4004@lukather> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150513153740.GC11677-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

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Hi Greg,

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 08:37:40AM -0700, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 12:26:04PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
> > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:33:24PM +0200, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> > 
> > > While this is nicer than the DT solution because of its accurate hardware
> > > representation, it's still not perfect because you might not have access to the
> > > DT, or you might be driving a completely generic device (such as a
> > > microcontroller) that might be used for something else in a different
> > > context/board.
> > 
> > Greg, you're copied on this because this seems to be a generic problem
> > that should perhaps be solved at a driver model level - having a way to
> > bind userspace access to devices that we don't otherwise have a driver
> > for.  The subsystem could specify the UIO driver to use when no other
> > driver is available.
> 
> That doesn't really work.  I've been talking to the ACPI people about
> this, and the problem is "don't otherwise have a driver for" is an
> impossible thing to prove, as you never know when a driver is going to
> be loaded from userspace.
> 
> You can easily bind drivers to devices today from userspace, why not
> just use the built-in functionality you have today if you "know" that
> there is no driver for this hardware.

What we're really after here is that we want to have an spidev
instance when we don't even have a device.

And since SPI isn't really doing any kind of hotplug, the only
situation that might be problematic is if we have the DT overlays
registering new devices.

Maxime

-- 
Maxime Ripard, Free Electrons
Embedded Linux, Kernel and Android engineering
http://free-electrons.com

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-05-13 17:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-12 20:33 [PATCH] spi: Force the registration of the spidev devices Maxime Ripard
     [not found] ` <1431462804-30467-1-git-send-email-maxime.ripard-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-13  9:34   ` [PATCH] spi: Add option to bind spidev to all chipselects Michal Suchanek
     [not found]     ` <20150513093441.80359.qmail-ve7rdfgbAvJ3WEpVTuSGmqVXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-13 10:16       ` Maxime Ripard
2015-05-13 10:40         ` Michal Suchanek
2015-05-13 11:05       ` Mark Brown
2015-05-13 11:26   ` [PATCH] spi: Force the registration of the spidev devices Mark Brown
     [not found]     ` <20150513112604.GI3066-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-13 12:35       ` Michal Suchanek
2015-05-13 12:51       ` Maxime Ripard
2015-05-13 14:36         ` Mark Brown
     [not found]           ` <20150513143610.GT2761-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-13 15:31             ` Michal Suchanek
     [not found]               ` <CAOMqctTd7xG6mwX9AojTH4uaGDY06xOgDFUP437VDiE0rp0sXA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-13 17:43                 ` Mark Brown
2015-05-13 19:09           ` Maxime Ripard
2015-05-13 19:10         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
     [not found]           ` <CAMuHMdWJ730G_a6=vQgs4gV837am5KKd7zEhU2FaHw2cpv=aRA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-13 19:41             ` Maxime Ripard
2015-05-13 15:37       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]         ` <20150513153740.GC11677-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-13 15:52           ` Michal Suchanek
2015-05-13 17:13           ` Mark Brown
     [not found]             ` <20150513171300.GD2761-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-13 17:20               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]                 ` <20150513172028.GA18303-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-13 17:39                   ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                     ` <20150513173922.GF2761-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-13 18:16                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-05-13 18:32                         ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                           ` <20150513183211.GK2761-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-13 18:36                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]                               ` <20150513183653.GA879-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-13 18:51                                 ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                                   ` <20150513185149.GL2761-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-13 19:17                                     ` Maxime Ripard
2015-05-13 17:50           ` Maxime Ripard [this message]
2015-05-13 18:12             ` Mark Brown
2015-05-13 18:17             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]               ` <20150513181736.GC16811-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-13 19:23                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-05-13 19:26                 ` Maxime Ripard
2015-05-13 22:33                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-05-15  8:09                     ` Maxime Ripard
     [not found]                     ` <20150513223331.GA26748-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-14 14:34                       ` Mark Brown
2015-07-15  6:27                       ` Lucas De Marchi
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2014-04-28 17:22 Maxime Ripard
     [not found] ` <1398705774-12361-1-git-send-email-maxime.ripard-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-29 18:37   ` Mark Brown
     [not found]     ` <20140429183758.GH15125-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-29 21:31       ` Martin Sperl
     [not found]         ` <24BF05CB-35FF-42E8-BE5C-A5E4E3D0C52A-TqfNSX0MhmxHKSADF0wUEw@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-30 18:14           ` Maxime Ripard
2014-04-30 20:00             ` Martin Sperl
     [not found]               ` <DA3907EB-0C1B-42FB-B288-9E33F6E24E3E-TqfNSX0MhmxHKSADF0wUEw@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-30 22:19                 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-05-01  1:21                 ` Mark Brown
2014-04-30 18:06       ` Maxime Ripard
2014-05-01  1:18         ` Mark Brown
     [not found]           ` <20140501011811.GF3245-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-01 22:36             ` Maxime Ripard
2014-05-01 23:28               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
     [not found]                 ` <CAMuHMdUWa1_n94sDvv=L_goc+SOnD9CAKi5DzifrY7GWYRdQmw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-02 16:55                   ` Mark Brown
2014-05-05  4:17                 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-05-05  7:10                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
     [not found]                     ` <CAMuHMdWZ1rvC+tkT=CbfMwZtppyJ_KpzT7JrLd5k5P2oxzA+8g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-05 13:57                       ` Alexandre Belloni
     [not found]                         ` <20140505135701.GA21940-m++hUPXGwpdeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-05 14:22                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-05-05 19:16                     ` Mark Brown
2014-05-02 17:40               ` Mark Brown
2014-05-05  4:21                 ` Maxime Ripard
2014-05-05 19:17                   ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                     ` <20140505191723.GK22111-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-08  2:22                       ` Maxime Ripard

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