From: Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
Lino Sanfilippo <LinoSanfilippo@gmx.de>,
rjui@broadcom.com, sbranden@broadcom.com,
bcm-kernel-feedback-list@broadcom.com, nsaenz@kernel.org,
linux-spi@vger.kernel.org, linux-rpi-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, p.rosenberger@kunbus.com,
linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] spi: bcm2835: do not unregister controller in shutdown handler
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 09:57:15 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <72d8920c-ccf2-50bf-36fd-1585f3932fd6@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YVsxNiyZ3CuZTXqE@sirena.org.uk>
On 10/4/21 9:52 AM, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 04, 2021 at 09:36:37AM -0700, Florian Fainelli wrote:
>> On 10/4/21 9:31 AM, Mark Brown wrote:
>
>>> an issue, someone could press a button or whatever. Frankly for SPI the
>>> quiescing part doesn't seem like logic that should be implemented in
>>> drivers, it's a subsystem level thing since there's nothing driver
>>> specific about it.
>
>> Surely the SPI subsystem can help avoid queuing new transfers towards
>> the SPI controller while the controller can shut down the resources that
>> only it knows about.
>
> Yes, that's what I was saying.
>
>>> In the case of this specific driver I'm still not clear that the best
>>> thing isn't just to delete the shutdown callback and let any ongoing
>>> transfers complete, though I guess there'd be issues in kexec cases with
>>> long enough tansfers.
>
>> No please don't, I should have arguably justified the reasons why
>> better, but the main reason is that one of the platforms on which this
>> driver is used has received extensive power management analysis and
>> changes, and shutting down every bit of hardware, including something as
>> small as a SPI controller, and its clock (and its PLL) helped meet
>> stringent power targets.
>
> OK, so it's similar to a lot of the other embedded cases where it's for
> a power down that doesn't cut as much power as would be desirable -
> that's reasonable. Like you say you didn't mention it at all in the
> changelog. Ideally the hardware would just cut all power to the SoC in
> shutdown but then IIRC those boards don't have a PMIC so...
Yes, that's is what we do on other types of SoCs, this particular one
however only has a single power domain and so software must come to the
rescue to shut down as much as it can. Newer boards do have a PMIC that
can help us with that, but not with everything, still.
>
>> TBH, I still wonder why we have .shutdown() and we simply don't use
>> .remove() which would reduce the amount of work that people have to do
>> validate that the hardware is put in a low power state and would also
>> reduce the amount of burden on the various subsystems.
>
> Yeah, it does seem a bit odd - I'd figured it was for speed reasons.
>
--
Florian
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-10-04 16:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-09-28 19:56 [PATCH] spi: bcm2835: do not unregister controller in shutdown handler Lino Sanfilippo
2021-09-28 20:08 ` Mark Brown
2021-09-29 8:38 ` Aw: " Lino Sanfilippo
2021-10-01 17:54 ` Mark Brown
2021-10-03 15:25 ` Lino Sanfilippo
2021-10-04 12:49 ` Mark Brown
2021-10-04 13:17 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-04 14:12 ` Mark Brown
2021-10-04 15:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-04 16:31 ` Mark Brown
2021-10-04 16:36 ` Florian Fainelli
2021-10-04 16:51 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-04 16:55 ` Florian Fainelli
2021-10-04 17:13 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-04 17:27 ` Mark Brown
2021-10-04 17:35 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-04 17:44 ` Florian Fainelli
2021-10-04 17:56 ` Mark Brown
2021-10-04 17:05 ` Mark Brown
2021-10-04 16:52 ` Mark Brown
2021-10-04 16:57 ` Florian Fainelli [this message]
2021-10-04 18:30 ` Lino Sanfilippo
2021-10-04 18:37 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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