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From: Miquel Raynal <miquel.raynal@bootlin.com>
To: Santhosh Kumar K <s-k6@ti.com>
Cc: <richard@nod.at>,  <vigneshr@ti.com>,  <broonie@kernel.org>,
	<tudor.ambarus@linaro.org>,  <pratyush@kernel.org>,
	 <mwalle@kernel.org>, <p-mantena@ti.com>,
	 <linux-spi@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
	 <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <a-dutta@ti.com>,
	 <u-kumar1@ti.com>,  <praneeth@ti.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 01/10] spi: spi-mem: Introduce support for tuning controller
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2025 10:35:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ecqcakjo.fsf@bootlin.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ea19bc64-a775-4309-8f3b-ce9dd8ac02ee@ti.com> (Santhosh Kumar K.'s message of "Wed, 5 Nov 2025 14:25:58 +0530")

Hello Santhosh,

>>>     - On tuning failure, retry by re-running spi_mem_needs_tuning() with
>>> the second best set of ops (max throughput - 1)
>> I would like to challenge this need. Can the same calibration fail if
>> attempted multiple times (eg. because of the heat?) If yes, then we need
>> a fallback indeed. Otherwise, I'd be in favor of just failing the
>> probe. Calibration is an opt-in -> users must allow a higher frequency
>> than they use to in order to enable the feature?
>
> It's possible the same calibration will fail intermittently for
> different reasons (temperature changes, as you mentioned). If tuning
> fails, the driver should fallback to the non-PHY frequency so the flash
> continues operating with slower reads/writes rather than failing the
> probe (availability should be prioritized, right?).

Agreed, if the tuning may fail we must fallback in this case. However
there is another situation that must be handled in this case: once
tuning is done and we want to use PHY-optimized paths, we must fallback
to more basic/slower reads if for some external reason, they start
failing, right?

The obvious choice in this case would be to let this error handling to
the controller driver. Re-using the same operation at a lower speed
would be suboptimal, because the fastest operation at a high speed might
not be the most efficient at slower speeds due to the number of dummy
cycles needed,. But I believe this is negligible based on the fact that
we already are in degraded mode at that stage.

However, this may conflict with:
- read retries
- continuous reads (?)

So in practice the fallback might be needed on the SPI NAND/NOR side
(this can be further discussed).

But once we solve this, comes a similar problem on the write side. How
do we know if a write will or did fail because of a temperature change?
What may be the heuristics to fallback in this case?

Thanks,
Miquèl

  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-05  9:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-11 19:32 [RFC PATCH 00/10] SPINAND PHY Tuning Series Santhosh Kumar K
2025-08-11 19:32 ` [RFC PATCH 01/10] spi: spi-mem: Introduce support for tuning controller Santhosh Kumar K
2025-08-13 20:26   ` Mark Brown
2025-08-14 11:34     ` Santhosh Kumar K
2025-08-14 12:34       ` Mark Brown
2025-08-22  6:05         ` Santhosh Kumar K
2025-09-10  8:07         ` Miquel Raynal
2025-08-24 17:02     ` Miquel Raynal
2025-09-10  8:21   ` Miquel Raynal
2025-09-20 17:55     ` Santhosh Kumar K
2025-10-28 15:41       ` Miquel Raynal
2025-11-05  8:55         ` Santhosh Kumar K
2025-11-05  9:35           ` Miquel Raynal [this message]
2025-08-11 19:32 ` [RFC PATCH 02/10] spi: spi-mem: Define spi_mem_tuning_params and spi_mem_get_tuning_params() Santhosh Kumar K
2025-08-11 19:32 ` [RFC PATCH 03/10] mtd: nand: spi: Introduce _execute_tuning for mtd devices Santhosh Kumar K
2025-08-11 19:32 ` [RFC PATCH 04/10] mtd: mtdcore: Call mtd_execute_tuning during mtd_register Santhosh Kumar K
2025-08-11 19:32 ` [RFC PATCH 05/10] spi: cadence-quadspi: Move cqspi_readdata_capture() above all operations Santhosh Kumar K
2025-08-11 19:32 ` [RFC PATCH 06/10] spi: cadence-quadspi: Use BIT() macro for CQSPI_REG_READCAPTURE_BYPASS Santhosh Kumar K
2025-08-11 19:32 ` [RFC PATCH 07/10] spi: cadence-quadspi: Enable PHY for aligned DAC reads Santhosh Kumar K
2025-08-11 19:32 ` [RFC PATCH 08/10] spi: cadence-quadspi: Enable PHY for data writes Santhosh Kumar K
2025-08-11 19:32 ` [RFC PATCH 09/10] spi: cadence-quadspi: Implement PHY for higher frequencies in SDR mode Santhosh Kumar K
2025-08-11 19:32 ` [RFC PATCH 10/10] spi: cadence-quadspi: Define cqspi_get_tuning_params() Santhosh Kumar K

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