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From: Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@intel.com>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@debian.org>
Cc: Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de>,
	"Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars)" <fourdollars@debian.org>,
	Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
	Daniel Mack <daniel@zonque.org>,
	Haojian Zhuang <haojian.zhuang@gmail.com>,
	Robert Jarzmik <robert.jarzmik@free.fr>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-spi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v16 5/7] spi: pxa2xx: disable DMA for Apple MacBook8,1
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2026 12:33:42 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aqJ5dqLKht5ezDw1@ashevche-desk.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c05bb236-5aa2-4050-a030-8caed6d47a40@sirena.org.uk>

On Wed, Jul 29, 2026 at 09:21:41PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2026 at 10:05:57PM +0200, Lukas Wunner wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 26, 2026 at 06:14:35PM +0200, Lukas Wunner wrote:
> 
> > > I'm not sure why Apple chose to keep the DMA controller in reset,
> > > but have you explored enabling it on boot?
> 
> > Thinking about this some more and after taking a look at
> > drivers/input/keyboards/applespi.c, I realize messages exchanged via SPI
> > are always 256 bytes in size.  That's not a whole lot, and of course
> > messages are only exchanged when a key is pressed or the trackpad is
> > used.  So perhaps Apple determined that sending this in PIO mode is
> > ultimately more efficient than keeping a DMA engine powered on all the
> > time.  The CPU load saved through offloading the SPI transfer is offset
> > by having to program the DMA engine for each transfer.
> 
> > So perhaps usage of PIO mode was indeed an intentional choice by Apple
> > and need not be second-guessed.  I'm not sure.
> 
> DMA can also add extra latency with interrupt handling, it's possible
> someone decided to trade some CPU time for minimal latency (though you
> could probably arrange for shorter messages...).

Okay, so let's go with the disabled DMA approach, but this will need
a good commit message and a big comment in the code explaining all findings
and some kind of summary of this discussion(s).

-- 
With Best Regards,
Andy Shevchenko



  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-10  9:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-20 16:21 [PATCH v16 0/7] spi: pxa2xx: Fix PM and interrupt issues on Intel LPSS SPI Shih-Yuan Lee
2026-07-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v16 1/7] spi: pxa2xx: introduce clock enable and disable helper functions Shih-Yuan Lee
2026-07-20 19:22   ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-07-26  8:15     ` Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars)
2026-07-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v16 2/7] spi: pxa2xx: introduce suspended flag for interrupt synchronization Shih-Yuan Lee
2026-07-20 17:18   ` Mark Brown
2026-07-26 10:35     ` Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars)
2026-07-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v16 3/7] spi: pxa2xx: overhaul teardown and suspend sequence using pxa2xx_spi_off Shih-Yuan Lee
2026-07-20 19:53   ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-07-26 11:12     ` Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars)
2026-07-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v16 4/7] spi: pxa2xx: lock out runtime autosuspend for Intel LPSS SPI in PIO mode Shih-Yuan Lee
2026-07-20 19:55   ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-07-26 11:18     ` Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars)
2026-07-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v16 5/7] spi: pxa2xx: disable DMA for Apple MacBook8,1 Shih-Yuan Lee
2026-07-20 19:27   ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-07-21 14:49     ` Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars)
2026-07-21 20:31       ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-07-21  9:00   ` Lukas Wunner
2026-07-21  9:26     ` Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars)
2026-07-21 14:34       ` Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars)
2026-07-21 15:05         ` Mark Brown
2026-07-21 15:26           ` Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars)
2026-07-21 16:09             ` Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars)
2026-07-21 20:41               ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-07-26 15:41                 ` Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars)
2026-07-26 16:14                   ` Lukas Wunner
2026-07-29 20:05                     ` Lukas Wunner
2026-07-29 20:21                       ` Mark Brown
2026-09-10  9:33                         ` Andy Shevchenko [this message]
2026-07-22  9:58               ` Lukas Wunner
2026-07-21 20:28             ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-07-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v16 6/7] spi: pxa2xx: restore LPSS private register state on S3 resume Shih-Yuan Lee
2026-07-20 19:59   ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-07-26 11:48     ` Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars)
2026-08-06 20:24       ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-07-20 16:21 ` [PATCH v16 7/7] spi: pxa2xx: rename local status variable to ret Shih-Yuan Lee
2026-07-20 19:56   ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-07-26 11:23     ` Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars)

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