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From: Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Lino Sanfilippo <LinoSanfilippo@gmx.de>,
	rjui@broadcom.com, sbranden@broadcom.com,
	bcm-kernel-feedback-list@broadcom.com, nsaenz@kernel.org,
	linux-spi@vger.kernel.org, linux-rpi-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, p.rosenberger@kunbus.com,
	linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] spi: bcm2835: do not unregister controller in shutdown handler
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 09:55:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f481f7cc-6734-59b3-6432-5c2049cd87ea@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211004165127.GZ3544071@ziepe.ca>

On 10/4/21 9:51 AM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 04, 2021 at 09:36:37AM -0700, Florian Fainelli wrote:
> 
>> No please don't, I should have arguably justified the reasons why
>> better, but the main reason is that one of the platforms on which this
>> driver is used has received extensive power management analysis and
>> changes, and shutting down every bit of hardware, including something as
>> small as a SPI controller, and its clock (and its PLL) helped meet
>> stringent power targets.
> 
> Huh? for device shutdown? What would this matter if the next step is
> reboot or power off?

Power off, the device is put into a low power state (equivalent to ACPI
S5) and then a remote control key press, or a GPIO could wake-up the
device again. While it is in that mode, it consumes less than 0.5W(AC).
Imagine your stick/cast/broom behind your TV falling in that category.

> 
>> TBH, I still wonder why we have .shutdown() and we simply don't use
>> .remove() which would reduce the amount of work that people have to do
>> validate that the hardware is put in a low power state and would also
>> reduce the amount of burden on the various subsystems.
> 
> The difference between remove and shutdown really is that 'emergency'
> sense that shutdown is something that must complete in bounded time
> and thus only has to concern itself with quieting hardware to a safe
> state for the next step in the shutdown/reboot/kexec/kdump sequence.

I am fairly sure that no driver write knows about the being bound in
time aspect.

> 
> Many remove handlers happily block until, eg all user files are closed
> or something to allow a graceful module unload.

Fair point.
-- 
Florian

  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-04 16:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-28 19:56 [PATCH] spi: bcm2835: do not unregister controller in shutdown handler Lino Sanfilippo
2021-09-28 20:08 ` Mark Brown
2021-09-29  8:38   ` Aw: " Lino Sanfilippo
2021-10-01 17:54 ` Mark Brown
2021-10-03 15:25   ` Lino Sanfilippo
2021-10-04 12:49     ` Mark Brown
2021-10-04 13:17       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-04 14:12         ` Mark Brown
2021-10-04 15:44           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-04 16:31             ` Mark Brown
2021-10-04 16:36               ` Florian Fainelli
2021-10-04 16:51                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-04 16:55                   ` Florian Fainelli [this message]
2021-10-04 17:13                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-04 17:27                       ` Mark Brown
2021-10-04 17:35                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-10-04 17:44                         ` Florian Fainelli
2021-10-04 17:56                           ` Mark Brown
2021-10-04 17:05                   ` Mark Brown
2021-10-04 16:52                 ` Mark Brown
2021-10-04 16:57                   ` Florian Fainelli
2021-10-04 18:30             ` Lino Sanfilippo
2021-10-04 18:37               ` Jason Gunthorpe

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