From: Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
To: Simon Glass <sjg-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
Lucas Stach <dev-8ppwABl0HbeELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
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Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] arm: rpi: Device tree modifications for U-Boot
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 21:46:15 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <55CEB607.7060908@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPnjgZ3ztXnkxZJvitiXiKMzq5+x46hbv0PW4HcF7yGgsXUV+Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
On 08/12/2015 07:21 AM, Simon Glass wrote:
> Hi Lucas,
>
> On 11 August 2015 at 11:05, Lucas Stach <dev-8ppwABl0HbeELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> Hi Simon,
>>
>> why did you send this to the Tegra ML?
>>
>> Am Dienstag, den 11.08.2015, 08:25 -0600 schrieb Simon Glass:
>>> This updates the device tree from the kernel version to something suitable
>>> for U-Boot:
>>>
>>> - Add stdout-path alias for console
>>> - Mark the /soc node to be available pre-relocation so that the early
>>> serial console works (we need the 'ranges' property to be available)
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Simon Glass <sjg-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> arch/arm/boot/dts/bcm2835.dtsi | 4 +++-
>>> 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/arch/arm/boot/dts/bcm2835.dtsi b/arch/arm/boot/dts/bcm2835.dtsi
>>> index 301c73f..bd6bff6 100644
>>> --- a/arch/arm/boot/dts/bcm2835.dtsi
>>> +++ b/arch/arm/boot/dts/bcm2835.dtsi
>>> @@ -8,6 +8,7 @@
>>>
>>> chosen {
>>> bootargs = "earlyprintk console=ttyAMA0";
>>> + stdout-path = &uart;
>>> };
>>>
>>> soc {
>>> @@ -16,6 +17,7 @@
>>> #size-cells = <1>;
>>> ranges = <0x7e000000 0x20000000 0x02000000>;
>>> dma-ranges = <0x40000000 0x00000000 0x20000000>;
>>> + u-boot,dm-pre-reloc;
>>
>> Why do you need this and why should upstream carry your favourite
>> bootloaders configuration? This is in no way hardware description.
>
> I'm not sure how much you know about U-Boot, so let me know if you
> need more info.
>
> U-Boot normally starts up by setting up its serial UART and displaying
> a banner message. At this stage typically only a few devices are
> initialised (e.g. maybe just the UART). It then relocates itself to
> the top of memory and starts up all the devices. It throws away any
> previous devices that it set up before relocation and starts again.
>
> U-Boot uses a thing called driver model (dm) which handles driver
> binding and probing. Driver model has the device tree and would
> normally scan through it and create devices for everything it finds.
>
> Before relocation we don't need every device. Also the CPU is often
> running slowly, perhaps without the cache enabled. SDRAM may not be
> available yet so space is short. We want to avoid starting up things
> that will not be used.
>
> So this property indicates that the device is needed before relocation
> and should be set up by driver model. We need it to avoid a very slow
> and memory-hungry startup.
>
> As to why upstream should accept it, my understanding of upstream is
> that people can send patches to it and in fact are encouraged to do
> so, to avoid misunderstandings and duplication. The device tree files
> are stored in Linux so any binding or source file changes should end
> up there. Otherwise the files tend to diverge and we end up with
> multiple bindings and multiple versions of the same source file.
On many platforms, we have U-Boot SPL running first, then the main
U-Boot. The main U-Boot binary contains both the code to do the
relocation and the binary that runs after relocation. It seems like it'd
be simpler to split these up into 3 binaries that each do a single job:
1) SPL, roughly as-is today (varying jobs depending on platform)
2) Relocator, which does nothing but work out where to copy U-Boot,
memcpy()s it there, relocates the image (if not PIE), and jumps to it.
3) The main U-Boot.
Item (2) above should be simple enough that it can use a very simple
debug mechanism rather like DEBUG_LL in the Linux kernel. Similar to
what Rob mentioned in his email.
Item (3) could use DM and DT/ACPI/... to get device information in a
complete non-hard-coded manner.
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Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-08-11 14:25 [PATCH] arm: rpi: Device tree modifications for U-Boot Simon Glass
[not found] ` <1439303153-12171-1-git-send-email-sjg-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2015-08-11 17:05 ` Lucas Stach
[not found] ` <1439312701.2451.3.camel-8ppwABl0HbeELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
2015-08-11 17:29 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <55CA3113.1010601-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2015-08-11 19:38 ` Lucas Stach
2015-08-12 13:21 ` Simon Glass
[not found] ` <CAPnjgZ3ztXnkxZJvitiXiKMzq5+x46hbv0PW4HcF7yGgsXUV+Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-08-15 3:46 ` Stephen Warren [this message]
2015-08-15 13:47 ` Simon Glass
2015-10-08 15:50 ` Pavel Machek
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