From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mr85p00im-zteg06023901.me.com (mr85p00im-zteg06023901.me.com [17.58.23.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32723200C1 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2024 23:46:50 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=17.58.23.192 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1710719212; cv=none; b=VuY4GmFB62K2/9ltnSPhFBTwmGh7HWmn9QVaMp1BQXywGAOdHGyDVvK7qjDzVdtbER0I7aM3zoNpWPtvlKzLBKp5cmFqZ0a0FjiN7OdOgaQejiEbGcMM8r1IZpiuF0QxorIm2ZHB2Ad2QyBtZ9N0wogom5WpQTFpH93RoP6sr7k= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1710719212; c=relaxed/simple; bh=xaml2/giqXxWNNfuvxq+tN1vfLPMgyuMRLVxCORSXe8=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc: Message-Id:References:To; b=HDaIcfGfLHWvYRWhfAZbV8AjR9+Wh6MXTMnyb1ofv8dJBMhGaZlb96XfjsgCZgbtnIW0k/YJ1frdoP11XWK/0U82pz0KhKuykPBWU0LgeIYJ2k3rhE2r3yRd5XH5nkmjMbjatxEyU0XQAt5N0emLNzpB8ImnxMJ9NLUcC3whdqc= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=quarantine dis=none) header.from=icloud.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=icloud.com; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=icloud.com header.i=@icloud.com header.b=tRSFYYZF; arc=none smtp.client-ip=17.58.23.192 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=quarantine dis=none) header.from=icloud.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=icloud.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=icloud.com header.i=@icloud.com header.b="tRSFYYZF" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=icloud.com; s=1a1hai; t=1710719210; bh=xaml2/giqXxWNNfuvxq+tN1vfLPMgyuMRLVxCORSXe8=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date:Message-Id:To; b=tRSFYYZFeV4KHa5TtH3AGz3+W4QZWaaDcBuC9M2NOO1WD9O7TbiulEzHlqNmSmvqH NEusL7r697d9xRjHziWYB4/CTT2h1Vnw+fyVoZ9IlgokQmR1v53X7j7Pf2PJyQ+1nn iln/bas5W58O5SIo7/f8lBKEvJkXUPNJ852fgohSSHCT8v2985IcrO5QlaZ9N+XJW+ 4isiDWGIqL64Eh/x7oZMwX6CBWhh5VxhrW4TxOS45EBpVCXZQbUjT0KvqEfOTIxLhY hnynXXgtyhhP0NXfzGZIxNfxNo2mvwf3MYk/uRLgvehSeRAHd95XSoK/Xz+H8IrJmT B8fJhmwswLIOA== Received: from smtpclient.apple (mr38p00im-dlb-asmtp-mailmevip.me.com [17.57.152.18]) by mr85p00im-zteg06023901.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C69C26E0410; Sun, 17 Mar 2024 23:46:49 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-toolchains@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.500.171.1.1\)) Subject: Re: A few proposals, this time from the C++ standards committee From: Jonathan Martin In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 16:46:28 -0700 Cc: linux-toolchains@vger.kernel.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <00E51206-C20A-4DAC-8DDB-71D2B74C8F55@icloud.com> References: <83f5e119-6e32-415a-a1c8-8e6b0bd11a75@paulmck-laptop> <25e38fde-ad0c-451e-8e42-6c328bea5a73@paulmck-laptop> To: Linus Torvalds X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.500.171.1.1) X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: 87LC54vthGY6LKzXnTFP7_R-pTxeVNf3 X-Proofpoint-GUID: 87LC54vthGY6LKzXnTFP7_R-pTxeVNf3 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=baseguard engine=ICAP:2.0.272,Aquarius:18.0.1011,Hydra:6.0.619,FMLib:17.11.176.26 definitions=2024-03-17_12,2024-03-15_01,2023-05-22_02 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 clxscore=1011 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.19.0-2308100000 definitions=main-2403170185 Hello; I doubt I have any reason to speak on this but I am compelled to try. I = have been thinking this over for a long time and this may be an = appropriate entry point. If the OSI model is combined with the six-tier hierarchy of controls = used in safety for industrial systems, you get something that can = permutate by substituting the application layer with any other position = in the ring. I=E2=80=99ve named this as a substitute for the clamoring = of idiocy that is DevOps Tree(3).0 to be =E2=80=9CDevelopemnt of Secure = Applications,=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CSecure Operations Development = Authority.=E2=80=9D Dosa with Soda. The OSI model is obvious enough that I might as well be handing over a = toddler's puzzle cube, but I don=E2=80=99t know if you are aware of the = six tier hierarchy of controls since the five-tier model has better = advertising: ELIMINATION, SUBSTITUTION, ISOLATION; ENGINEERING CONTROLS, ADMINISTRATIVE CONTROLS, Personal Protective = Equipment; Additionally: PRESENTAITON, SESSION, TRANSPORT; NETWORK, DATA-LINK, PHYSICAL; << APPLICATION -> ROLE If it follows naturally through the maxim of =E2=80=9CGod Programmers = Create God Programs,=E2=80=9D actual and real implementation of this = model would lead to a massive reduction in lead time for the Five stages = of Project Management. ~A9=