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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Puchert, Aaron" <aaron.puchert@sap.com>
Cc: Marco Elver <elver@google.com>,
	Aaron Ballman <aaron@aaronballman.com>,
	"linux-toolchains@vger.kernel.org"
	<linux-toolchains@vger.kernel.org>,
	"llvm@lists.linux.dev" <llvm@lists.linux.dev>,
	Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Thread Safety Analysis and the Linux kernel
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2025 08:59:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250307075950.GH16878@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DB7PR02MB36269DCE8C78D8E5DB7C7AC6E7CA2@DB7PR02MB3626.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com>

On Thu, Mar 06, 2025 at 10:18:32PM +0000, Puchert, Aaron wrote:

> > Users would typically look like:
> > 
> > try_to_wake_up(p, state)
> > {
> >         struct rq *rq;
> > 
> >         scoped_guard (raw_spinlock_irqsave, &p->pi_lock) {
> >                 if (!ttwu_state_match(p, state))
> >                         break;
> > 
> >                 rq = __task_rq_lock(p);
> >                 // go enqueue task
> >                 raw_spin_rq_unlock(rq);
> >         }
> > }
> 
> Can the return value be used as an initializer by moving the
> declaration into the scoped_guard block? Or do you have a style guide
> that wants all declarations at the beginning of a block?

Yeah, we have a style guide that strongly suggests variables are
declared at the start. In fact, we used to have
-Wdeclaration-after-statement and only (finally) got rid of it in order
to allow for these scope guards.

> We track capabilities as symbolic expressions, so something like
> "rq->__lock" in this case. If there is an assignment to "rq", that
> changes the meaning of the symbolic expression. The object referred to
> by the expression is then no longer reachable. Currently we don't look
> at assignments at all when it comes to tracking capabilities. We don't
> even warn, it's simply documented as not being supported. We only look
> at initializers, as in alias analysis. Having a separate variable
> being initialized with the return value gives us a unique name for the
> return value, which is good when we're working with symbolic
> expressions.
> 
> If there are cases where assignment is really needed, we can also
> check to which extent we can rewrite expressions or warn when the
> objects they point to become unreachable. (In the example that would
> be the case if someone assigned to "rq" again after the call to
> "__task_rq_lock ".)

Right. I suspect we might need this if we want to minimize code churn.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-07  8:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-05 11:47 Thread Safety Analysis and the Linux kernel Marco Elver
2025-03-05 23:54 ` Puchert, Aaron
2025-03-06  9:47   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-06 16:18     ` Bart Van Assche
2025-03-07  8:07       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-07 21:50       ` Puchert, Aaron
2025-03-07 21:46     ` Puchert, Aaron
2025-03-06 10:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-06 22:18     ` Puchert, Aaron
2025-03-07  7:59       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-03-07 14:13         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-06 10:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-06 23:14     ` Puchert, Aaron
2025-03-07  8:52       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-07 12:52         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-07 14:22           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-03-07 14:35             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-08  6:06               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-03-07 23:03         ` Puchert, Aaron
2025-03-06 17:11   ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-03-06 23:24     ` Puchert, Aaron
2025-03-06 23:44       ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-03-07 17:59         ` Puchert, Aaron
2025-03-07 18:24           ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-03-07 12:00   ` Marco Elver
2025-05-05 13:44 ` Marco Elver
2025-06-05 12:44   ` Marco Elver
2025-09-18 10:37     ` Marco Elver
2025-09-18 11:10       ` Peter Zijlstra

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