From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: paulmck@kernel.org
Cc: linux-toolchains@vger.kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
hpa@zytor.com, rostedt@goodmis.org, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
keescook@chromium.org
Subject: Re: A few proposals, this time from the C++ standards committee
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2024 11:24:58 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wicGX9dfkR4ec1+urbbHGdKiKTpAckn5+OmyzGkPpVAJA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wh921g_+TJ33JRxRGFM2uruMdqG-SONfFOD9UOsLQJ_uw@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 at 11:08, Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
> I would suggest that people look at improving 'restrict' and making it
> more useful, and just admit that the type-based thing was a mistake.
Note that I did see the other proposal on 'restrict', but I think that
one was a pretty small improvement.
I think people should work on making it work better in general. Real
compilers already effectively do that thin in much more interesting
ways, as part of finding the origin of a pointer.
For example, both clang and gcc have a notion of "alloc-like" functions:
__attribute__((__malloc__))
which is a function attribute that basically says "the returned
pointer is a 'restricted' pointer". Except it is much better than the
'restrict' keyword, in that it actually works on real loads.
So I think the real answer to type-based aliasing is to throw the
garbage out, and instead help extend on existing notions of
"provenance of where the pointer came from".
Because compilers already do a *lot* of that kind of alias analysis,
and I think the proper approach is to strive to help compilers do
better on something reliable, instead of working around the fact that
some rodent-like creature got dropped on its head a few too many
times, and came up with the notion of type-based aliasing.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-06-05 18:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-03-17 9:14 A few proposals, this time from the C++ standards committee Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-17 18:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-17 20:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-17 20:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-17 21:04 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-17 21:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-17 22:02 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-17 22:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-17 23:46 ` Jonathan Martin
2024-03-18 0:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-18 1:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-18 2:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-18 2:57 ` Randy Dunlap
2024-03-18 4:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-18 4:45 ` Randy Dunlap
2024-03-18 16:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-18 16:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-03-19 7:41 ` Marco Elver
2024-03-19 8:07 ` Jakub Jelinek
2024-06-05 13:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-05 18:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-06-05 18:24 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2024-06-05 19:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-05 19:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
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