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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 mm-new 06/15] khugepaged: introduce collapse_max_ptes_none helper function
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2025 12:12:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1c0c89d3-0f72-4631-b1fc-41e1426c8bed@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3dc6b17f-a3e0-4b2c-9348-c75257b0e7f6@lucifer.local>



>>>> "eagerness" would not be like swappiness, and we will really have to be
>>>> careful here. I don't know yet when I will have time to look into that.
>>>
>>> I guess I missed this part of the converastion, what do you mean?
>>
>> Johannes raised issues with that on the list and afterwards we had an
>> offline discussion about some of the details and why something unpredictable
>> is not good.
> 
> Could we get these details on-list so we can discuss them? This doesn't have to
> be urgent, but I would like to have a say in this or at least be part of the
> converastion please.

Sorry, I only found now time to reply on this point. Johannes raised the 
point in [1], and afterwards we went a bit into detail in a off-list 
discussion.

In essence, I think he is right that is something we have to be very 
careful about. So it turned out as something that will take a lot more 
time+effort on my side than I originally thought, turning it not 
feasible in the short term given how I already lack behind on so many 
other things.

So I concluded that it's probably best to have such and effort be 
independent of this series. And in some way it is either way, because 
max_ptes_none is just a horrible interface given the values are 
architecture dependent.

I'll be happy if we can focus in this series on the bare minimum initial 
support, and avoid any magic (scaling / capping) as it all turned out to 
be much more tricky (interaction with the deferred shrinker ...) than 
most of us initially thought.

But I think we're already on the same page here, just wanted to share a 
bit more details on the max_ptes_none vs. eagerness idea.

[1] https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20250915134359.GA827803@cmpxchg.org

-- 
Cheers

David / dhildenb


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-10-31 11:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-22 18:37 [PATCH v12 mm-new 00/15] khugepaged: mTHP support Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 01/15] khugepaged: rename hpage_collapse_* to collapse_* Nico Pache
2025-11-08  1:42   ` Wei Yang
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 02/15] introduce collapse_single_pmd to unify khugepaged and madvise_collapse Nico Pache
2025-10-27  9:00   ` Lance Yang
2025-10-27 15:44   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-08  1:44   ` Wei Yang
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 03/15] khugepaged: generalize hugepage_vma_revalidate for mTHP support Nico Pache
2025-10-27  9:02   ` Lance Yang
2025-11-08  1:54   ` Wei Yang
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 04/15] khugepaged: generalize alloc_charge_folio() Nico Pache
2025-10-27  9:05   ` Lance Yang
2025-11-08  2:34   ` Wei Yang
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 05/15] khugepaged: generalize __collapse_huge_page_* for mTHP support Nico Pache
2025-10-27  9:17   ` Lance Yang
2025-10-27 16:00   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-10 13:20     ` Nico Pache
2025-11-08  3:01   ` Wei Yang
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 06/15] khugepaged: introduce collapse_max_ptes_none helper function Nico Pache
2025-10-27 17:53   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-28 10:09     ` Baolin Wang
2025-10-28 13:57       ` Nico Pache
2025-10-28 17:07       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-28 17:56         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-28 18:09           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-28 18:17             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-28 18:41               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-29 15:04                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-29 18:41                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-29 21:10                     ` Nico Pache
2025-10-30 18:03                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-29 20:45                   ` Nico Pache
2025-10-28 13:36     ` Nico Pache
2025-10-28 14:15       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-28 17:29         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-28 17:36           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-28 18:08           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-28 18:59             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-28 19:08               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-29  2:09               ` Baolin Wang
2025-10-29  2:49                 ` Nico Pache
2025-10-29 18:55                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-29 21:14                   ` Nico Pache
2025-10-30  1:15                     ` Baolin Wang
2025-10-29  2:47               ` Nico Pache
2025-10-29 18:58                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-29 21:23                   ` Nico Pache
2025-10-30 10:15                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-31 11:12               ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-10-28 16:57       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-28 17:49         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-28 17:59           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 07/15] khugepaged: generalize collapse_huge_page for mTHP collapse Nico Pache
2025-10-27  3:25   ` Baolin Wang
2025-11-06 18:14   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-07  3:09     ` Dev Jain
2025-11-07  9:18       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-07 19:33     ` Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 08/15] khugepaged: skip collapsing mTHP to smaller orders Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 09/15] khugepaged: add per-order mTHP collapse failure statistics Nico Pache
2025-11-06 18:45   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-07 17:14     ` Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 10/15] khugepaged: improve tracepoints for mTHP orders Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 11/15] khugepaged: introduce collapse_allowable_orders helper function Nico Pache
2025-11-06 18:49   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-07 18:01     ` Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 12/15] khugepaged: Introduce mTHP collapse support Nico Pache
2025-10-27  6:28   ` Baolin Wang
2025-11-09  2:08   ` Wei Yang
2025-11-11 21:56     ` Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 13/15] khugepaged: avoid unnecessary mTHP collapse attempts Nico Pache
2025-11-09  2:40   ` Wei Yang
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 14/15] khugepaged: run khugepaged for all orders Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 15/15] Documentation: mm: update the admin guide for mTHP collapse Nico Pache
2025-10-22 19:52   ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2025-10-22 20:22     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-23  8:00       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-23  8:44         ` Pedro Falcato
2025-10-24 13:54           ` Zach O'Keefe
2025-10-23 23:41       ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2025-10-22 20:13 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 00/15] khugepaged: mTHP support Andrew Morton

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