From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Trace Kernel <linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tracefs/eventfs: Use root and instance inodes as default ownership
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2024 21:28:45 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240104212845.GS1674809@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wgxhmMcVGvyxTxvjeBaenOmG8t_Erahj16-68whbvh-Ug@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Jan 04, 2024 at 11:35:37AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > "file description" - is how the file is accessed (position in the file and
> > flags associated to how it was opened)
>
> That's a horrible term that shouldn't be used at all. Apparently some
> people use it for what is our 'struct file *", also known as a "file
> table entry". Avoid it.
Worse, really. As far as I can reconstruct what happened it was something
along the lines of "colloquial expression is 'opened file', but that is
confusing - sounds like a property+noun, so it might be misparsed as
a member of subset of files satisfying the property of 'being opened';
can't have that in a standard, let's come up with something else".
Except that what they did come up with had been much worse, for obvious
linguistic reasons.
The *ONLY* uses for that expression I can think of are
1. When reading POSIX texts, watch out for that one - if you
see them talking about a file descriptor in context where it really
should be about an opened file, check the wording. If it really says
"file descriptOR", it's probably a bug in standard or a codified
bullshit practice. If it says "file descriptION" instead, replace with
"opened file" and move on.
2. An outstanding example of the taste of that bunch.
IO channel would be a saner variant, but it's far too late for that.
The 3-way distinction between descriptor/opened file/file as collection of data
needs to be explained in UNIX 101; it is userland-visible and it has to be
understood. Unfortunately, it's often done in a way that leaves students
seriously confused ;-/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-01-04 21:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-01-04 1:32 [PATCH] tracefs/eventfs: Use root and instance inodes as default ownership Steven Rostedt
2024-01-04 1:48 ` Al Viro
2024-01-04 2:25 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-04 4:39 ` Al Viro
2024-01-04 15:05 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-04 18:25 ` Al Viro
2024-01-04 19:10 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-04 19:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-01-04 19:15 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-04 19:26 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-04 19:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-01-04 20:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-01-04 21:28 ` Al Viro [this message]
2024-01-04 19:03 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-04 1:59 ` Al Viro
2024-01-04 2:17 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-05 14:26 ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-05 14:59 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-07 12:42 ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-07 17:42 ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-07 18:01 ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-07 18:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-07 18:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-08 11:32 ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-08 15:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-08 11:04 ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-08 15:23 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-10 11:45 ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-10 13:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-10 15:52 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-10 16:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-10 18:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-11 21:01 ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-11 21:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-12 8:27 ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-12 13:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-12 14:22 ` Steven Rostedt
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