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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Luo Gengkun <luogengkun@huaweicloud.com>
Cc: mhiramat@kernel.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tracing: Fix tracing_marker may trigger page fault during preempt_disable
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2025 08:26:04 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250829082604.1e3fd06e@gandalf.local.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <436e4fa7-f8c7-4c23-a28a-4e5eebe2f854@huaweicloud.com>


[ Adding arm64 maintainers ]

On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 16:29:07 +0800
Luo Gengkun <luogengkun@huaweicloud.com> wrote:

> On 2025/8/20 1:50, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > On Tue, 19 Aug 2025 10:51:52 +0000
> > Luo Gengkun <luogengkun@huaweicloud.com> wrote:
> >  
> >> Both tracing_mark_write and tracing_mark_raw_write call
> >> __copy_from_user_inatomic during preempt_disable. But in some case,
> >> __copy_from_user_inatomic may trigger page fault, and will call schedule()
> >> subtly. And if a task is migrated to other cpu, the following warning will  
> > Wait! What?
> >
> > __copy_from_user_inatomic() is allowed to be called from in atomic context.
> > Hence the name it has. How the hell can it sleep? If it does, it's totally
> > broken!
> >
> > Now, I'm not against using nofault() as it is better named, but I want to
> > know why you are suggesting this change. Did you actually trigger a bug here?  
> 
> yes, I trigger this bug in arm64.

And I still think this is an arm64 bug.

> 
> >  
> >> be trigger:
> >>          if (RB_WARN_ON(cpu_buffer,
> >>                         !local_read(&cpu_buffer->committing)))
> >>
> >> An example can illustrate this issue:
> >>
> >> process flow						CPU
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> tracing_mark_raw_write():				cpu:0
> >>     ...
> >>     ring_buffer_lock_reserve():				cpu:0
> >>        ...
> >>        cpu = raw_smp_processor_id()			cpu:0
> >>        cpu_buffer = buffer->buffers[cpu]			cpu:0
> >>        ...
> >>     ...
> >>     __copy_from_user_inatomic():				cpu:0
> >>        ...
> >>        # page fault
> >>        do_mem_abort():					cpu:0  
> > Sounds to me that arm64 __copy_from_user_inatomic() may be broken.
> >  
> >>           ...
> >>           # Call schedule
> >>           schedule()					cpu:0
> >> 	 ...
> >>     # the task schedule to cpu1
> >>     __buffer_unlock_commit():				cpu:1
> >>        ...
> >>        ring_buffer_unlock_commit():			cpu:1
> >> 	 ...
> >> 	 cpu = raw_smp_processor_id()			cpu:1
> >> 	 cpu_buffer = buffer->buffers[cpu]		cpu:1
> >>
> >> As shown above, the process will acquire cpuid twice and the return values
> >> are not the same.
> >>
> >> To fix this problem using copy_from_user_nofault instead of
> >> __copy_from_user_inatomic, as the former performs 'access_ok' before
> >> copying.
> >>
> >> Fixes: 656c7f0d2d2b ("tracing: Replace kmap with copy_from_user() in trace_marker writing")  
> > The above commit was intorduced in 2016. copy_from_user_nofault() was
> > introduced in 2020. I don't think this would be the fix for that kernel.
> >
> > So no, I'm not taking this patch. If you see __copy_from_user_inatomic()
> > sleeping, it's users are not the issue. That function is.
> >
> > -- Steve
> >
> >  
> I noticed that in most places where __copy_from_user_inatomic() is used,

"most" but not all?

> it is within the pagefault_disable/enable() section. When pagefault_disable()
> is called, user access methods will no sleep. So I'm going to send a v2patch which use pagefault_disable/enable()to fix this problem. -- Gengkun

No, I don't want that either. __copy_from_user_inatomic() SHOULD NOT SLEEP!
If it does, than it is a bug!

If it can sleep, "inatomic" is a very bad name. The point of being
"inatomic" is that you are in a location that IS NOT ALLOWED TO SLEEP!

I don't want to fix a symptom and leave a bug around.

BTW, the reason not to fault is because this might be called in code that is
already doing a fault and could cause deadlocks. The no sleeping part is a
side effect.

-- Steve

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-29 12:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-19 10:51 [PATCH] tracing: Fix tracing_marker may trigger page fault during preempt_disable Luo Gengkun
2025-08-19 17:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-29  8:29   ` Luo Gengkun
2025-08-29 12:26     ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2025-08-29 12:36       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-29 19:53         ` Catalin Marinas
2025-08-29 22:13           ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-30 10:22             ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-01  9:56               ` Mark Rutland
2025-09-01 12:28                 ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-01 13:07                   ` Mark Rutland
2025-09-01  9:43             ` Mark Rutland
2025-09-02 14:11               ` Steven Rostedt
2025-09-01 16:01             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-09-01 15:56       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-09-02  3:47         ` Luo Gengkun
2025-09-02  7:35           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-09-02 14:14           ` Steven Rostedt

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