From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-alma10-1.taild15c8.ts.net [100.103.45.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EB013DCD80; Thu, 25 Jun 2026 12:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1782392264; cv=none; b=Uw5rH2JRXgJpyezTniFHwGBiAeOKB58/gDI/q+bNZo6N/Gj9eWDZyuvHppbUPvH337JI9dRuYwYRCrCPGx1OpDK6BjWA++1zgYQVzQ7Ymu/qWJRn4PuTrtmEBX+ED16d863RVthh2srmBGJgbrHhM4E5CJcAaVhQdkWu6kglOn4= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1782392264; c=relaxed/simple; bh=kUD4yxqkQ3I71PGnDd7xEHq2Yhfg0jaZRyTX8ogxiA4=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:Cc:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=nuqj90KPeJkDnYceaYMzUYsRxLaouKhSkGv2vjoB5gA2t687t4NJDhkJ3BC7hDklEfbhCLGpv7Rb9NPK4fMK8v4QSaglqSHDaTPQEvghOmZsHzVo7grH6QgPmkJgoUYosWEcBygHZCQiNxPCFfoPKOulo8L8grpuqmuovGqaPgQ= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=dHmpLCYx; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="dHmpLCYx" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3DBCE1F00A3A; Thu, 25 Jun 2026 12:57:27 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kernel.org; s=k20260515; t=1782392263; bh=kBH/vS8hZh8Igpj0aw8/HaHtMjB3pKyKAfYdrgPsQCU=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=dHmpLCYxkcYHAnhShuZZiNteUIsANckSSdSG7HqREuNtilbYWQipbTko618b1Yqz0 TdmqsVsHCGZsqS/WBZm4cZsmyAR29Rb2Z0yEWyZqjWRGGDfP33LlQQ6+1lxyqZxoRp yjEiovspVIARiluKrlsUuXuVAk+XCr1BoRB8pEztZQ7RjuT4jQfM5sBPW4JxKpY3v7 Yr8XpCL4sC80zDNED3TFkKh0otLxXx+aGAsD4h0vpvKtyevTGOjQ3tMZyxONEStJZh 27J6zBoo6Pu7SjU7iu4yPlyB6hd1OxletytvTKm7z4321BrdJn+b4w+S2Yu07TTkhf WX1h0k78BILkA== Message-ID: <6ed7d12a-c3a1-4572-8385-754e6d5b8b44@kernel.org> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2026 14:57:25 +0200 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 18/46] KVM: guest_memfd: Handle lru_add fbatch refcounts during conversion safety check To: Sean Christopherson , Ackerley Tng Cc: aik@amd.com, andrew.jones@linux.dev, binbin.wu@linux.intel.com, brauner@kernel.org, chao.p.peng@linux.intel.com, jmattson@google.com, jthoughton@google.com, michael.roth@amd.com, oupton@kernel.org, pankaj.gupta@amd.com, qperret@google.com, rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com, rientjes@google.com, shivankg@amd.com, steven.price@arm.com, tabba@google.com, willy@infradead.org, wyihan@google.com, yan.y.zhao@intel.com, forkloop@google.com, pratyush@kernel.org, suzuki.poulose@arm.com, aneesh.kumar@kernel.org, liam@infradead.org, Paolo Bonzini , Thomas Gleixner , Ingo Molnar , Borislav Petkov , Dave Hansen , x86@kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" , Steven Rostedt , Masami Hiramatsu , Mathieu Desnoyers , Jonathan Corbet , Shuah Khan , Shuah Khan , Vishal Annapurve , Andrew Morton , Chris Li , Kairui Song , Kemeng Shi , Nhat Pham , Barry Song , Axel Rasmussen , Yuanchu Xie , Wei Xu , Youngjun Park , Qi Zheng , Shakeel Butt , Kiryl Shutsemau , Baoquan He , Jason Gunthorpe , Vlastimil Babka , kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-coco@lists.linux.dev References: <20260618-gmem-inplace-conversion-v8-0-9d2959357853@google.com> <20260618-gmem-inplace-conversion-v8-18-9d2959357853@google.com> From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" Content-Language: en-US Autocrypt: addr=david@kernel.org; keydata= xsFNBFXLn5EBEAC+zYvAFJxCBY9Tr1xZgcESmxVNI/0ffzE/ZQOiHJl6mGkmA1R7/uUpiCjJ dBrn+lhhOYjjNefFQou6478faXE6o2AhmebqT4KiQoUQFV4R7y1KMEKoSyy8hQaK1umALTdL QZLQMzNE74ap+GDK0wnacPQFpcG1AE9RMq3aeErY5tujekBS32jfC/7AnH7I0v1v1TbbK3Gp XNeiN4QroO+5qaSr0ID2sz5jtBLRb15RMre27E1ImpaIv2Jw8NJgW0k/D1RyKCwaTsgRdwuK Kx/Y91XuSBdz0uOyU/S8kM1+ag0wvsGlpBVxRR/xw/E8M7TEwuCZQArqqTCmkG6HGcXFT0V9 PXFNNgV5jXMQRwU0O/ztJIQqsE5LsUomE//bLwzj9IVsaQpKDqW6TAPjcdBDPLHvriq7kGjt WhVhdl0qEYB8lkBEU7V2Yb+SYhmhpDrti9Fq1EsmhiHSkxJcGREoMK/63r9WLZYI3+4W2rAc UucZa4OT27U5ZISjNg3Ev0rxU5UH2/pT4wJCfxwocmqaRr6UYmrtZmND89X0KigoFD/XSeVv jwBRNjPAubK9/k5NoRrYqztM9W6sJqrH8+UWZ1Idd/DdmogJh0gNC0+N42Za9yBRURfIdKSb B3JfpUqcWwE7vUaYrHG1nw54pLUoPG6sAA7Mehl3nd4pZUALHwARAQABzS5EYXZpZCBIaWxk ZW5icmFuZCAoQ3VycmVudCkgPGRhdmlkQGtlcm5lbC5vcmc+wsGQBBMBCAA6AhsDBQkmWAik AgsJBBUKCQgCFgICHgUCF4AWIQQb2cqtc1xMOkYN/MpN3hD3AP+DWgUCaYJt/AIZAQAKCRBN 3hD3AP+DWriiD/9BLGEKG+N8L2AXhikJg6YmXom9ytRwPqDgpHpVg2xdhopoWdMRXjzOrIKD g4LSnFaKneQD0hZhoArEeamG5tyo32xoRsPwkbpIzL0OKSZ8G6mVbFGpjmyDLQCAxteXCLXz ZI0VbsuJKelYnKcXWOIndOrNRvE5eoOfTt2XfBnAapxMYY2IsV+qaUXlO63GgfIOg8RBaj7x 3NxkI3rV0SHhI4GU9K6jCvGghxeS1QX6L/XI9mfAYaIwGy5B68kF26piAVYv/QZDEVIpo3t7 /fjSpxKT8plJH6rhhR0epy8dWRHk3qT5tk2P85twasdloWtkMZ7FsCJRKWscm1BLpsDn6EQ4 jeMHECiY9kGKKi8dQpv3FRyo2QApZ49NNDbwcR0ZndK0XFo15iH708H5Qja/8TuXCwnPWAcJ DQoNIDFyaxe26Rx3ZwUkRALa3iPcVjE0//TrQ4KnFf+lMBSrS33xDDBfevW9+Dk6IISmDH1R HFq2jpkN+FX/PE8eVhV68B2DsAPZ5rUwyCKUXPTJ/irrCCmAAb5Jpv11S7hUSpqtM/6oVESC 3z/7CzrVtRODzLtNgV4r5EI+wAv/3PgJLlMwgJM90Fb3CB2IgbxhjvmB1WNdvXACVydx55V7 LPPKodSTF29rlnQAf9HLgCphuuSrrPn5VQDaYZl4N/7zc2wcWM7BTQRVy5+RARAA59fefSDR 9nMGCb9LbMX+TFAoIQo/wgP5XPyzLYakO+94GrgfZjfhdaxPXMsl2+o8jhp/hlIzG56taNdt VZtPp3ih1AgbR8rHgXw1xwOpuAd5lE1qNd54ndHuADO9a9A0vPimIes78Hi1/yy+ZEEvRkHk /kDa6F3AtTc1m4rbbOk2fiKzzsE9YXweFjQvl9p+AMw6qd/iC4lUk9g0+FQXNdRs+o4o6Qvy iOQJfGQ4UcBuOy1IrkJrd8qq5jet1fcM2j4QvsW8CLDWZS1L7kZ5gT5EycMKxUWb8LuRjxzZ 3QY1aQH2kkzn6acigU3HLtgFyV1gBNV44ehjgvJpRY2cC8VhanTx0dZ9mj1YKIky5N+C0f21 zvntBqcxV0+3p8MrxRRcgEtDZNav+xAoT3G0W4SahAaUTWXpsZoOecwtxi74CyneQNPTDjNg azHmvpdBVEfj7k3p4dmJp5i0U66Onmf6mMFpArvBRSMOKU9DlAzMi4IvhiNWjKVaIE2Se9BY FdKVAJaZq85P2y20ZBd08ILnKcj7XKZkLU5FkoA0udEBvQ0f9QLNyyy3DZMCQWcwRuj1m73D sq8DEFBdZ5eEkj1dCyx+t/ga6x2rHyc8Sl86oK1tvAkwBNsfKou3v+jP/l14a7DGBvrmlYjO 59o3t6inu6H7pt7OL6u6BQj7DoMAEQEAAcLBfAQYAQgAJgIbDBYhBBvZyq1zXEw6Rg38yk3e EPcA/4NaBQJonNqrBQkmWAihAAoJEE3eEPcA/4NaKtMQALAJ8PzprBEXbXcEXwDKQu+P/vts IfUb1UNMfMV76BicGa5NCZnJNQASDP/+bFg6O3gx5NbhHHPeaWz/VxlOmYHokHodOvtL0WCC 8A5PEP8tOk6029Z+J+xUcMrJClNVFpzVvOpb1lCbhjwAV465Hy+NUSbbUiRxdzNQtLtgZzOV Zw7jxUCs4UUZLQTCuBpFgb15bBxYZ/BL9MbzxPxvfUQIPbnzQMcqtpUs21CMK2PdfCh5c4gS sDci6D5/ZIBw94UQWmGpM/O1ilGXde2ZzzGYl64glmccD8e87OnEgKnH3FbnJnT4iJchtSvx yJNi1+t0+qDti4m88+/9IuPqCKb6Stl+s2dnLtJNrjXBGJtsQG/sRpqsJz5x1/2nPJSRMsx9 5YfqbdrJSOFXDzZ8/r82HgQEtUvlSXNaXCa95ez0UkOG7+bDm2b3s0XahBQeLVCH0mw3RAQg r7xDAYKIrAwfHHmMTnBQDPJwVqxJjVNr7yBic4yfzVWGCGNE4DnOW0vcIeoyhy9vnIa3w1uZ 3iyY2Nsd7JxfKu1PRhCGwXzRw5TlfEsoRI7V9A8isUCoqE2Dzh3FvYHVeX4Us+bRL/oqareJ CIFqgYMyvHj7Q06kTKmauOe4Nf0l0qEkIuIzfoLJ3qr5UyXc2hLtWyT9Ir+lYlX9efqh7mOY qIws/H2t In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 6/25/26 02:35, Sean Christopherson wrote: > On Wed, Jun 24, 2026, Ackerley Tng wrote: >> Sean Christopherson writes: >> >>> >>> Under what circumstances does this happen, >> >> It happened 100% of the time in selftests. Perhaps it's because in the >> selftests the pages are almost always freshly allocated and so the >> lru_add fbatch isn't full yet? (and that the host isn't super busy so >> lru_add fbatch doesn't get drained yet). > > I chatted with Ackerley about this. What I wanted to understand is why guest_memfd > pages were getting put onto per-CPU batches for lru_add(), given that guest_memfd > pages are unevictable. The answer (assuming I read the code right), is that > lruvec_add_folio() updates stats and other per-lru metadata for the unevictable > lru, and does so under a per-lru lock. I.e. we don't want to skip that stuff > entirely. Hm. Our pages don't participate in any LRU activity (including isolation+migration). Isolation+migration would only apply once we'd support page migration. But yes, secretmem also does it like that: filemap_add_folio() will call folio_add_lru(). Traditionally we used the unevictable LRU only for mlock purposes. But yeah, there are "unevictable" stats involved .... > > One thought I had, to avoid the IPIs that draining all per-CPU caches requires, > was to disallow putting guest_memfd pages in folio batches, e.g. by hacking > something into folio_may_be_lru_cached(). But due to taking a per-lru lock, > that would penalize the relatively hot path and definitely common operation of > faulting in guest memory. On the other hand, memory conversion is already a > relatively slow operation and is relatively uncommon compared to page faults, > (and likely very uncommon for real world setups). I.e. having to drain all > caches if conversion isn't safe penalizes a relatively slow, relatively uncommon > path. Yeah, the lru_add_drain_all is rather messy. We have similar code in collect_longterm_unpinnable_folios(), where we first try a lru_add_drain(), to then escalate to a lru_add_drain_all(). Maybe we could factor that (suboptimal code) out to not have to reinvent the same thing multiple times? -- Cheers, David