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From: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>
To: paulmck@kernel.org, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: rcu@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@meta.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH rcu v2] 4/5] rcu-tasks: Move RCU Tasks self-tests to core_initcall()
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2025 21:00:07 +0106	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <84pljwi2w0.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a68e2e94-b4c6-4791-b581-ecbf3fee28e9@paulmck-laptop>

On 2025-02-05, "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org> wrote:
>> This is caused by RCU falling behind a callback-flooding kthread that
>> invokes call_rcu() in a semi-tight loop.  Setting rcutree.kthread_prio=40
>> avoids the splat, but still gets the shutdown-time hang.  Retrying with
>> the default rcutree.kthread_prio=2 failed to reproduce the splat, but
>> it did reproduce the shutdown-time hang.
>> 
>> OK, maybe printk buffers are not being flushed?  A 100-millisecond sleep
>> at the end of of rcu_torture_cleanup() got all of rcutorture's output
>> flushed, but lost the subsequent shutdown-time console traffic.  The
>> pr_flush(HZ/10,1) seems more sensible, but this is private to printk().
>>
>> I would like to log the shutdown-time console traffic because RCU can
>> sometimes break things on that path.

pr_flush() was changed to private because there were no users. It would
not be a problem to make it available. Adding a pr_flush() to
rcu_torture_cleanup() would be an appropriate workaround for now (more
on this at the end).

> There is a call to kmsg_dump(KMSG_DUMP_SHUTDOWN) in kernel_power_off()
> that appears to be intended to dump out the printk() buffers,

It only dumps the buffers to the registered kmsg_dumpers. It is not
responsible for flushing console backlogs.

> but it
> does not seem to do so in kernels built with CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y.
> Does there need to be a pr_flush() call prior to the call to
> migrate_to_reboot_cpu()?  Or maybe even to do_kernel_power_off_prepare()
> or kernel_shutdown_prepare()?

With CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y, legacy consoles only print via a dedicated
kthread. Without a pr_flush() somewhere, there is basically no chance
that they will get backlogs flushed because noone is waitig for them.

The new console API (NBCON) provides support for "atomic consoles",
which _do_ flush by transitioning to synchronous printing during
shutdown/reboot. Unfortunately we still don't have any NBCON atomic
console implemented in the kernel. The 8250 UART will be our first
driver, most likely available in 6.15. (With the current PREEMPT_RT
patch applied, the 8250 NBCON atomic driver is used.)

Since only CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT=y has this issue, I am not sure if we want
to sprinkle pr_flush() calls on all sleepable shutdown/reboot paths,
although that is certainly one way to handle it. For your case, adding a
pr_flush() to rcu_torture_cleanup() and making pr_flush() non-private
would be an easy solution to avoid your problem.

John Ogness

  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-05 19:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <43f70961-1884-42bf-b303-1d33665d99d2@paulmck-laptop>
2025-01-30 18:53 ` [PATCH rcu v2] 4/5] rcu-tasks: Move RCU Tasks self-tests to core_initcall() Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-04 10:26   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-02-04 11:51     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-04 16:34       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-02-04 20:20         ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-05 14:50           ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-05 19:54             ` John Ogness [this message]
2025-02-05 20:10               ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-05 20:31                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-05 21:22                   ` John Ogness
2025-02-05 21:55                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-05 22:20                       ` John Ogness
2025-02-05 22:31                         ` John Ogness
2025-02-05 23:50                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-06  8:28                             ` John Ogness
2025-02-06  9:58                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-06  9:02                             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-02-06  9:59                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-06 10:18                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-06 11:06                             ` Petr Mladek
2025-02-06 16:32                               ` Paul E. McKenney

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