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From: Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 mm-new 06/15] khugepaged: introduce collapse_max_ptes_none helper function
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2025 15:14:11 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA1CXcA1nqt_f+zSOF66eTNWJACCE84hSQn4uNF8CjcBUZ_1oA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2ab547d2-584b-48fe-9f43-7c14caa7ab05@lucifer.local>

On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 12:56 PM Lorenzo Stoakes
<lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 10:09:43AM +0800, Baolin Wang wrote:
> > I finally finished reading through the discussions across multiple
> > threads:), and it looks like we've reached a preliminary consensus (make
> > 0/511 work). Great and thanks!
>
> Yes we're getting there :) it's a sincere effort to try to find a way to move
> forwards.
>
> >
> > IIUC, the strategy is, configuring it to 511 means always enabling mTHP
> > collapse, configuring it to 0 means collapsing mTHP only if all PTEs are
> > non-none/zero, and for other values, we issue a warning and prohibit mTHP
> > collapse (avoid Lorenzo's concern about silently changing max_ptes_none).
> > Then the implementation for collapse_max_ptes_none() should be as follows:
> >
> > static int collapse_max_ptes_none(unsigned int order, bool full_scan)
> > {
> >         /* ignore max_ptes_none limits */
> >         if (full_scan)
> >                 return HPAGE_PMD_NR - 1;
> >
> >         if (order == HPAGE_PMD_ORDER)
> >                 return khugepaged_max_ptes_none;
> >
> >         /*
> >          * To prevent creeping towards larger order collapses for mTHP
> > collapse,
> >          * we restrict khugepaged_max_ptes_none to only 511 or 0,
> > simplifying the
> >          * logic. This means:
> >          * max_ptes_none == 511 -> collapse mTHP always
> >          * max_ptes_none == 0 -> collapse mTHP only if we all PTEs are
> > non-none/zero
> >          */
> >         if (!khugepaged_max_ptes_none || khugepaged_max_ptes_none ==
> > HPAGE_PMD_NR - 1)
> >                 return khugepaged_max_ptes_none >> (HPAGE_PMD_ORDER -
> > order);
> >
> >         pr_warn_once("mTHP collapse only supports khugepaged_max_ptes_none
> > configured as 0 or %d\n", HPAGE_PMD_NR - 1);
> >         return -EINVAL;
> > }
> >
> > So what do you think?
>
> Yeah I think something like this.
>
> Though I'd implement it more explicitly like:
>
>         /* Zero/non-present collapse disabled. */
>         if (!khugepaged_max_ptes_none)
>            return 0;
>
>         /* Collapse the maximum number of zero/non-present PTEs. */
>         if (khugepaged_max_ptes_none == HPAGE_PMD_NR - 1)
>                 return (1 << order) - 1;
>
> Then we can do away with this confusing (HPAGE_PMD_ORDER - order) stuff.

This looks cleaner/more explicit given the limits we are enforcing!

I'll go for something like that.

>
> A quick check in google sheets suggests my maths is ok here but do correct me if
> I'm wrong :)

LGTM!

Thanks for all the reviews! I'm glad we were able to find a solution :)

-- Nico

>
> Cheers, Lorenzo
>


  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-29 21:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-22 18:37 [PATCH v12 mm-new 00/15] khugepaged: mTHP support Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 01/15] khugepaged: rename hpage_collapse_* to collapse_* Nico Pache
2025-11-08  1:42   ` Wei Yang
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 02/15] introduce collapse_single_pmd to unify khugepaged and madvise_collapse Nico Pache
2025-10-27  9:00   ` Lance Yang
2025-10-27 15:44   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-08  1:44   ` Wei Yang
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 03/15] khugepaged: generalize hugepage_vma_revalidate for mTHP support Nico Pache
2025-10-27  9:02   ` Lance Yang
2025-11-08  1:54   ` Wei Yang
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 04/15] khugepaged: generalize alloc_charge_folio() Nico Pache
2025-10-27  9:05   ` Lance Yang
2025-11-08  2:34   ` Wei Yang
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 05/15] khugepaged: generalize __collapse_huge_page_* for mTHP support Nico Pache
2025-10-27  9:17   ` Lance Yang
2025-10-27 16:00   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-10 13:20     ` Nico Pache
2025-11-08  3:01   ` Wei Yang
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 06/15] khugepaged: introduce collapse_max_ptes_none helper function Nico Pache
2025-10-27 17:53   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-28 10:09     ` Baolin Wang
2025-10-28 13:57       ` Nico Pache
2025-10-28 17:07       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-28 17:56         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-28 18:09           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-28 18:17             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-28 18:41               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-29 15:04                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-29 18:41                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-29 21:10                     ` Nico Pache
2025-10-30 18:03                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-29 20:45                   ` Nico Pache
2025-10-28 13:36     ` Nico Pache
2025-10-28 14:15       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-28 17:29         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-28 17:36           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-28 18:08           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-28 18:59             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-28 19:08               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-29  2:09               ` Baolin Wang
2025-10-29  2:49                 ` Nico Pache
2025-10-29 18:55                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-29 21:14                   ` Nico Pache [this message]
2025-10-30  1:15                     ` Baolin Wang
2025-10-29  2:47               ` Nico Pache
2025-10-29 18:58                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-29 21:23                   ` Nico Pache
2025-10-30 10:15                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-31 11:12               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-28 16:57       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-28 17:49         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-28 17:59           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 07/15] khugepaged: generalize collapse_huge_page for mTHP collapse Nico Pache
2025-10-27  3:25   ` Baolin Wang
2025-11-06 18:14   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-07  3:09     ` Dev Jain
2025-11-07  9:18       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-07 19:33     ` Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 08/15] khugepaged: skip collapsing mTHP to smaller orders Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 09/15] khugepaged: add per-order mTHP collapse failure statistics Nico Pache
2025-11-06 18:45   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-07 17:14     ` Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 10/15] khugepaged: improve tracepoints for mTHP orders Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 11/15] khugepaged: introduce collapse_allowable_orders helper function Nico Pache
2025-11-06 18:49   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-07 18:01     ` Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 12/15] khugepaged: Introduce mTHP collapse support Nico Pache
2025-10-27  6:28   ` Baolin Wang
2025-11-09  2:08   ` Wei Yang
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 13/15] khugepaged: avoid unnecessary mTHP collapse attempts Nico Pache
2025-11-09  2:40   ` Wei Yang
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 14/15] khugepaged: run khugepaged for all orders Nico Pache
2025-10-22 18:37 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 15/15] Documentation: mm: update the admin guide for mTHP collapse Nico Pache
2025-10-22 19:52   ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2025-10-22 20:22     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-23  8:00       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-23  8:44         ` Pedro Falcato
2025-10-24 13:54           ` Zach O'Keefe
2025-10-23 23:41       ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2025-10-22 20:13 ` [PATCH v12 mm-new 00/15] khugepaged: mTHP support Andrew Morton

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